If so, why does Ebay allow this crap? https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-...508187?hash=item26203b345b:g:SNcAAOSwGhxbqokS This hobo Morgan is a clear fake and could take someone less experienced for a ride. That $12 could be the difference between someone enjoying our hobby for a lifetime or leaving it. Why does Ebay do this?
'Hobo' coins are considered works of art. If the coin were real it would be selling for much, much more than the asking price posted.
...and Grandpa would be really ticked off if he knew you were telling people that you got these from him, instead of ordering them from Alibaba. Bags of lettuce contaminated with Listeria are very rare, too. Nobody should buy them, either.
I don't see the problem. He's clear in his description that it is NOT hand carved, but minted from dies in a press. People (not necessarily coin collectors, but many on CT) do collect these & many other kinds of trinkets, & this looks like a particularly nice one (I put it on my watch list; I may buy one). McScrooge: "Time is Money" is a popular saying for some (& actually true). I don't see any trickery on this one & although the price may be a little high, it's in the ballpark.
There goes my dinner Jeff. A nice leafy garden salad coupled with a big bowl of pasta with some home made sauce........Thank you.
These are struck in China and bear a resemblance to genuine carved Morgan Dollars. They are not even silver. That’s the problem. However, it is somewhat nice to see the Chinese use their skills in counterfeiting merely as a creative outlet.
Except that no real collector would consider it a counterfeit (& believe me, I'm all-in on the fight against Chinese fakes). Note this directly from the listing: Clad Plated - Toned - Dollar Size PLEASE NOTE: These Rare Hobo Style Coins Are Not Hand Carved THESE COINS ARE CUSTOM DIE - COIN MINT STRUCK! There are plenty of fantasy coins out there, & these are but one. Granted, we've seen enough naïve newbies here to fill several boats to China, but really this is nothing like the high dollar fakes they are making. The fact that these happen to be made in China... You can be mad about counterfeiting, but this isn't it.
Oh yes it is! The implication is that these things are Morgan Dollars with the full implication that the reverse is untouched and the obverse still has the stars, motto and date. Nowhere does it say that the Morgan Dollar aspects of the design are not original. All they do say is that the pieces are "clad" and coated with silver. That is not good enough. The words "copy of a Morgan Dollar" or something to that effect needs to be included, and the word "COPY" should be stamped into the reverse. And when these things get beyound this listing you can bet that some sharpy will be touting them as "over struck Morgan Dollars."
What's for dinner tonight Ken that I can enlighten you to the facts? The top five germs that cause illnesses from food eaten in the United States are: Norovirus. Salmonella. Clostridium perfringens. Campylobacter. Staphylococcus aureus (Staph) Notice it said the United States.....now close your eyes.....got them closed? Good now just pretend for a second when I tell you to open them you vision "The Great Wall" and you also notice that there isn't any ferral cats anywhere near..... In fact there isn't anything that resembles a house pet other than a very mal-nourished rat..... And now salmonella is sounding .....pretty good!
Please read the red highlighted script in my post - it is directly from the listing, which by the way is from some guy in Lawton, OK, so they've already made it to the next level. Again, I see no problem...you can't protect all fools! (And even if they claimed they were produce from re-struck Morgans, who wouldn't realize they are priced way under melt?...you can't protect all fools!) And no, I have no relation to the seller & yes, I am still firmly anti-counterfeit.
If they were made here in the US they would have to be stamped COPY to not be in violation of the Hobby Protection Act. And since they do say UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, have a date, and a denomination, if made here they could potentially fall under the counterfeiting laws. But since they are made in China they are not under our jurisdiction. However anyone who buys one and has it shipped from China would be in violation of the HPA.
