Iran (Persia): gold toman of Fath-Ali Shah, AH 1233 (1817), Yazd mint

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How interesting/appealing do you find this coin, whether or not you're an expert? (1=worst, 10=best)

  1. 10

    3 vote(s)
    15.0%
  2. 9

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    15.0%
  3. 8

    8 vote(s)
    40.0%
  4. 7

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  5. 6

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    5.0%
  6. 5

    2 vote(s)
    10.0%
  7. 4

    2 vote(s)
    10.0%
  8. 3

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  9. 2

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  10. 1

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Iran (Persia): gold toman of Fath-Ali Shah, AH 1233 (1817), Yazd mint
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    Obverse: inscription in Persian calligraphy within beaded border.*
    Reverse: inscription in Persian calligraphy within beaded border.
    Issuer: Fath-Ali Shah Qajar, Shah of Persia (1797-1834).
    Specifications: gold, 23 mm approx., 4.56 g. Type W. Dar al-Ibadah (Yazd) mint.
    Grade: PCGS MS62; cert. #34401230.
    Reference: KM-753.13, PCGS-446914, Numista 119519.
    Provenance: ex-Najaf Chalabiani, DBA Najaf Coins & Collectibles, Vancouver, Canada, 20 October 2017. Purchased raw.
    Notes: Coins of this era of Qajar Dynasty Persia (modern day Iran) were still struck by the ancient hand-hammered technique. By the latter half of the 19th century, more modern milled coinage was being produced. Because of Islamic traditions of aniconism, their coins do not bear images of sentient creatures like people or animals, rather favoring flowing calligraphic inscriptions and geometric designs instead. Yet somehow the coins are no less beautiful or interesting to look at despite their relative lack of pictorial imagery.
    Comments: I purchased this coin because it was struck in AH 1233 (1817), which was the birthyear of Baháʼu'lláh, the founder of the Baháʼí Faith. I was raised in the Baha'i religion, so while it was certainly a beautiful coin to add to my collection, it has even more personal significance to me in terms of family tradition and sentimental esteem. I was happy when it graded Mint State after submission to PCGS for certification.


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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Side note #1: I regret to say that I do not know what the Arabic inscriptions on these coins would say, were they translated. Perhaps someone else will come along who does. (Edit: yes! See below. Thanks, WB2).

    Side note #2: Boy howdy, did ol' Fath-Ali Shah have a beard, or did he have a BEARD, Ladies and Gentlemen? Wow!

    He was a snazzy dresser, too, but that kinda goes without saying when you're talking about old-school royalty. But like some of their Indian counterparts, the old Shahs were especially bejeweled.


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  4. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    That's another cool one, but right in the middle at 5 for me (I prefer to have pictorial imagery in most cases).
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I agree with you... in most cases. There is always an exception to the rule, however, and when one has an "eclectic" collection, one has to mix things up a bit and sample lots of different stuff, right?

    This particular coin is an easy "10" for me personally, for the reasons I described above.

    (I do not automatically vote "10" in these polls for all of my coins, but they do usually range between 8-10 for me. Ownership bias does count for a little in the statistics. The polls are of course extremely unscientific, but I find them interesting, so I've been adding them to my writeups for a while- just for the heck of it.)
     
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  6. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I agree completely!
    I've made plenty of exceptions in my collecting and that is the beauty of an "eclectic" set.
     
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  7. tibor

    tibor Well-Known Member

    As our bearded friends from Texas like to say, " Every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man"
     
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    ROFL! :hilarious: 'Zact same lyric was already in my brain! :p

    Speaking of sharp-dressed dudes with extremely impressive beards...




    You know Fath-Ali Shah would've had him some bejeweled sunglasses back in the day, had they been invented...
     
  9. tibor

    tibor Well-Known Member

    The Shah looks a little like Jep Robertson from Duck Dynasty.;);)
     
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  10. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Super nice looking gold piece, even if I can't read it! :D
     
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  11. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    As far as I can determine this is what the Arabic/Persian script on the coin is:

    The obverse field is:

    دار العبادة
    Dar al-ibadat (Abode of Piety, epithet for Yezd Mint)

    Below is the date:
    ۱۲۳۳
    1233

    The reverse top line is:

    فتحعلی شاه قاجار
    Fateh'ali Shah Qajar (Fateh Ali King Qajar dynasty)

    The second line is:

    السلطان ابن السلطان
    Sultan ibn Sultan (King and son of king)
    Note that all three words end in 'n'.

    The third line are the end 'n's placed here artistically.
    ن ن ن

    Note that Arabic is read right to left and sometimes bottom to top.

    I hope that this helps.

    :)
     
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  12. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    Arabic/Persian calligraphy is very difficult to read simply because it is considered an art form rather than script. Moreover, you not only need to know the script but understand the language as well. Add to that the fact that much of the script could be off flan and decorative dots or accent marks could and do change the pronunciation of a letter. Plus it is often written from the bottom line upwards and the artist might decide to break up the letters in a word for good measure. Just like a modern English speaker reading a medieval French text written by a dyslexic ancient Latin scribe.

    Think of a Picasso painting with the nose on the forehead, ears where the eyes should be and one eye in place of the mouth. A strange beast if you didn't actually know what the human face looked like. Plus some on the letters on your coin appear scraped or maybe its the light. Anyway here is my effort:

    Let's start with the right side image since that is the clearest. As correctly pointed out by @willieboyd2 above, the first short line reads "Shah Qaa-jaa-r' below that 'Fathali" as one word. The script below the long diagonal stroke is even more jumbled up. It reads "Al Sulta b Sulta" with the N of the first 'Sultan' the ib of 'ibn' (son of) and the n of the second 'Sultan' making up the last line........see the letters that look like three "U's" with lots of decorative dots in them and the centre letter with a vertical stroke.

    An "N" in Arabic looks a lot like a "U" in Latin but with one dot in it.

    Confused??? You will be after the next episode of "Let's read Arabic/Persian Caligraphy" :D:D:D

    Now @lordmarcovan do you REALLY want to know what is on the left image:banghead:

    The reverse reads: "Yazd; Al iba" (the "dh" is in the 3rd row at the very end) Sar'dar (in the place of) and finally 'B' which in Persian means 'in'

    Basically it says "B sar'dar Iba'dh Yazd 1233"
     
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Helps? Yes, immensely. Thank you. Both of you, @willieboyd2 & @1934 Wreath Crown. That untangles some of the Gordian knots of those inscriptions.
     
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  14. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    An excellent book on the subject of Islamic coins is Richard Plant's book Arabic Coins and How To Read Them (Spink and Son Ltd, 1980).

    I bought a copy in February 2020 and have been attempting to read the writing on some Islamic coins.

    :)
     
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  15. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    For someone who, I assume, has no previous knowledge of the Arabic Alphabet, you have done a fabulous job thus far :)

    Does it actually teach you to read the script or do you recognise it, like an image?

    I can read 3 different scripts and even I find it very difficult to read Islamic calligraphy.....for that matter, I can only just write coherently in the Latin script:D
     
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  16. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    Now we have the book we'll just slice through the rest:p
     
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  17. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Well-Known Member

    Lord M, I like your taste.

    Here is one of the other 62s.

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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yours? Looks lovely. Nice and bright.

    That one was certified in the last year or so, too, I see, judging from the newer TrueView logo at the top of the image. So that one is more recently slabbed than mine, which I had graded, oh... two or three years ago now, I guess. Not long after I got it in October of 2017.
     
  19. Robidoux Pass

    Robidoux Pass Well-Known Member

    Wow! Two very beautiful coins so far in this post. Thanks for sharing.

    I have familiarity with a smattering of Arabic but I still find these coins quite difficult to read. Once someone has pointed out the correct translation, I understand, but my own efforts rarely get me to that point.

    And I strongly recommend Plant's book. He must have been quite a linguist.
     
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  20. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    Technically, Persian is a separate language with its own Arabic-derived alphabet but fortunately for us, many of the coins can be read as though in Arabic.
     
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  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I knew the cultural heritage was different but tend to forget that about the linguistic distinction.
     
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