Interesting Wheat pennies 1946 s and 1968 D ???

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by survivor, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. survivor

    survivor New Member

    Both of these pennies have interesting spots , almost like a nick or gouge near the date.

    The 1946 spot starts at the top of the 4 and goes through the top of the 6 and stops at the rim. What is interesting is where this spot is, it is melted like and forms perfectly to the surrounding copper leaving a nice little gouge that forms seamlessly into the rest of the surrounding penny.

    The 1968 starts on the edge of abes tux and stops at the bottom of the 9 whats interesting is the copper from this gouge is melted into the bottom of the 9 and the 9 now goes down and follows the bottom edge of this gouge, also on the back of the penny is a light spot which is a bump exactly in the same spot as the gouge on the front. , only the gouge don't seem to go deep enough to go through the coin.

    What is your opinion on this ??? I have listed a perfect decription so If you would like pictures I can take some but wanted to wait and see what input i got?.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I dunno - it sounds like damage done after leaving the mint to me.
     
  4. survivor

    survivor New Member

    maybe so, but is thier an explanation for how the perimeter of the gouge would have melted seamlessy into the surrounding metal and even melting into the bottom of the 9
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Without in hand examination, or at the very least pics - no - there is no way to explain it. It could literally have been done by almost anything. It could be someone did it on purpose.
     
  6. survivor

    survivor New Member

    Here is the 1946 and I believe it is was struck with a peice of something ??? that was on the planchet??
     

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  7. ozzysdad

    ozzysdad New Member

    Looks like Post-Mint Damage, especially if there is a bump on the reverse?
     
  8. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Definately damage after being minted.
     
  9. survivor

    survivor New Member

    Knowledge through education. "Strike Thru" Progression

    If you are so sure of yourself here is something to ponder. I thought it was damage also, but under closer examination I come to the conclusion that this damage was done when the coin was hot. Here is a link that will take you to a coin that has similar damage cause during the minting process.

    7-Coin "Strike Thru" Progression!


    http://conecaonline.org/content/1998AE7CoinProgression.htm
     
  10. Pennycase

    Pennycase New Member

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  11. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    While it is possible for planchet errors to occur during the minting process, those are relatively easy to spot when you have viewed many thousands of coins over many years. Damage is also easy to spot given the same learning curve. Your coin has damage. You can see the lines in the groove that are common with wrapping machine damage.
     
  12. survivor

    survivor New Member

    Much more professional !!! If you don't mind I would like to learn about wrapping machine damage?
     
  13. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Sorry survivor, sometimes it easy for me to forget that I am one of a few here on the forum that views many coins on a regular basis. All circulating coins go through the counting machines and often the wrapping machines. These machines spin the wrappers onto the coins. Often, the coins can be damaged during this process. Leaving off the wall marks that seem to come from nowhere. They often are near the rim of the coin, and seem to follow the rim around. On occasion though, they can effectively remove dates, of mintmarks and leave the rest of the coin unmarked.
    I will look through my files this week and try to post some photos of some of these different types of wrapping machine damaged coins.
    It just takes years of viewing many coins to pick up little tell-tale signs. I am sorry that I did not make my first post more clear.
     
  14. survivor

    survivor New Member

    Here is an email I just got,

    From what I can see this is what we refer to as a Lamination or defective planchet. Ones this size are generally considered minor and would carry a value of about $1.00 tops.
    I hope that helps.
    Ken


    Ken Potter
    P.O. Box 760232
    Lathrup Village, MI 48076
    313-255-8907
    www.koinpro.com
     
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