Interesting token up for auction

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  1. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    Saw this on my daily email notifications and did a double take. I know the symbol is older than the Nazi movement, and was considered good luck to the Indians, but for an American business to use this as it's symbol must have been a money killer after WW II.

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  3. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    That one is a left facing, or counter clockwise version which is called a Sauwastika. The Nazi party in 1930 adopted the right facing, or clockwise version called Swastika.
    Right facing is to do with Sun and the left facing is for night. Unfortunately these differences are overlooked and both symbols are linked to Nazi Germany.
    I think that is a nice token
     
  4. goossen

    goossen Senior Member

    Interesting piece, do you know from which year is?
    Also, what’s the thing below the horseshoe?
     
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  5. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    They are to with John Deere tractors and probably date between 1914-1922. No idea what the 4th symbol is other than they are all good luck symbols
     
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  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Note, also called a:

    Fylfot
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    For information about the symbol itself, see swastika.
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    Notional arms—Argent a fylfot azure (a blue fylfot on a white shield)—exemplifying the design of the fylfot commonly shown in modern heraldry texts.
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    Fylfot
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    Gammadion
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    Fylfot simbol of Sun-God in Deela-Malkh in Nakh mythology.
    Fylfot or fylfot cross /ˈfɪlfɒt/ (FILL-fot), is an English symbol equivalent to the sauwastika, or left-facing swastika. It is a cross with perpendicular extensions, usually at 90° or close angles, radiating in the same direction. Its right-facing variant is referred to as a gammadion. According to some modern texts on heraldry, the fylfot is upright and typically with truncated limbs, as shown in the figure at right.

    to see symbols, which are not showing:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fylfot
     
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  7. J.T. Parker

    J.T. Parker Well-Known Member

    The design is seen throughout history & used in not only ancient greek but American Indian motifs as well....All the way from moon/sun phases to good a luck talisman.
    As that is what I was taught in art history.
    Nazi's kind of screwed the pooch for future usage.
    Nieh!
    J.T.
     
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  8. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    That is a very nice token.
     
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It’s the don’t worry token and it’s above the swastika (left facing). Great looking piece.
     
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  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Common in Japan
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  11. john-charles

    john-charles Member

    John Deer bought that company out around 1918. The window for that token is pretty small, supposedly 1911 to 1923, if we can go by production of that engine. That was Wikipedia.
     
  12. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Just like you said, not a swastika. The Token was issued before Hitler and his idea to take a symbol that meant good luck and prosperity and turn it into a symbol of hate! Nice Token, my guess is it will sell for $33-$46, let's see how wrong I am. :D
     
  13. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    In a Lenny Bruce (remember him?) routine, he has the Nazis having a good luck symbol of four sevens (7) around a center...
     
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  14. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    Nice token!

    "Don't Worry Club" tokens are American and have nothing to do with Freemasonry, Nazis, or Aliens.

    They were advertising tokens manufactured from the 1900's to 1930's and there are supposedly over 1000 different types.

    The direction of the cross arms is irrelevant.

    Gary Patterson was a collector of these Good Luck Swastika tokens and had over 1,600 pieces. His collection was sold in 2019 and I bought this token because I lived in Berkeley at one time.

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    Berkeley California Herbert Jones Men's Furnishings Token
    Brass, 31 mm, 9.19 gm

    Herbert Jones Men's Furnishings was a men's clothing store located in Berkeley near the University of California. The stores were in business from around 1909 into the 1930's.

    :)
     
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  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    And I believe the symbols below the horseshoe are Rune signs. Like the other objects, a symbol of good luck.
     
  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The first three signs are obvious, as four leaf clover, a horseshoe and a wishbone. The fourth, which contains three symbols, is the difficult one. All the symbols within the left facing swastika are symbols of good luck. Prior to World War II the left facing swastika also was good luck. The Nazi swastika Does not face to the left but rather the right.

    In the lower right the three symbols are Egyptian in nature. They are called Egyptian Hieroglyphs. Here is the best description I can find to explain the three symbols.

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    Egyptian Hieroglyphs

    For most tokens, there are three symbols but not always the same three. One is sometimes vertically inverted. I understand the hieroglyphs to be:

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      [​IMG] (N23) Irrigation canals also used for "the two lands." (This one does not match well but it is the best match I can find at this time.)
    2. [​IMG] (D37) Forearm with bread loaf meaning "to give"
    3. [​IMG] (X1) Bread bun (or feminine) or [​IMG] (V30) ideogram for basket: master, lord.
     
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  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    @goossen I did my post above in the middle of the night and forgot to tag you. Just wanted you to get the correct information to answer your question.
     
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