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  1. ruud1301

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  3. ruud1301

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    Fleemarket find 27 mm..really dont know..anybody else?
     
  4. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    Modern fantasy. The portrait style is all wrong, surfaces look cast, I count two spelling errors in the obverse legend... I could go on, but you get the idea.
     
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    IMG_20180818_144143.jpg IMG_20180818_144835.jpg
     
  7. ruud1301

    ruud1301 Well-Known Member

    Somebody any thoughts about these two..perhaps antoninus pius?size is left 22 mm right 26mm
     
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  8. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    On the left you have a Provincial issue from Zeugma, Commagene - as far as I can see - as corroborated by what's legible in the obverse legend between 8:00 and 11:00: "...PAIAN(AΔΡΙΑ?)..." - i'd say it's likely to be Hadrian although Trajan is possible.
    On the right, you have another Provincial from an eastern mint. This sort of Tyche reverse is common for Antioch and a number of other cities in the "northern Mesopotamia" area like Singara, Edessa, Rhesana and Nisibis.
    The amount of time the more eastern Mesopotamian cities were under Imperial rule was pretty well limited to the 3rd century, and the portrait, however, strongly favors Antoninus Pius. (More than this established portrait of A. Pius below matches his Imperial issue portrait - on Provincials the portraiture can be all over the place)
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    http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album267/14_Ant_Pius_Laodicea_AE_27?full=1
    This is a known Antoninus Pius from Laodicea ad Mare (on the Mediterranean coast near Antioch) - although this has right-facing busts as opposed to yours which face left, that can be a variety-specific variant. I'm not saying yours is necessarily from Laodicea, but that's the general area you should be looking in since during Antoninus' time, only the more westerly of the Levantine/Syria/Mesopotamia northern cities were under Roman rule.
    The piece below is a 29mm Æ by Philip I from Zeugma and is the more common larger-size Æ, although 22mm Æ's are fairly common from Zeugma, too - I don't have a decent specimen to show a smaller one, unfortunately, alhough if you navigate "up" from these single shots to the pages they're on, there is a 21mm Ant Pius Æ from Zeugma on the Mesopotamia page (seeing which would add nothing to the discussion).
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    http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album270/03_Philip_I_Zeugma_AE_29?full=
     
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  9. ruud1301

    ruud1301 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your helpfull explanation
     
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  11. ruud1301

    ruud1301 Well-Known Member

    Any thoughts about this 2 coins?size is 28mm could both be Gordian III?
     
  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Zeugma for sure. The reverse legend reads ΖЄΥ-ΓΜΑ-ΤЄѠΝ. The problem with attributing it to Hadrian or Trajan is that Zeugma did not start issuing provincial coins until Antonininus Pius and it stopped after Philip II.

    I'm guessing it's Pius and something on the order of these examples. Even the obverse legend is consistent:

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    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5062982
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4557790
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=494665
     
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  13. ruud1301

    ruud1301 Well-Known Member

    Thanks i look into it!
     
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  14. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I definitely see a gordian III in there...
     
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  15. ruud1301

    ruud1301 Well-Known Member

    I think the upper one is diadumenian.. Screenshot_2018-08-19-11-27-25.png
     
  16. ruud1301

    ruud1301 Well-Known Member

    The second from above...
     
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