ID needed for Tiny Roman AR

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by CoinMatt, Jul 28, 2022.

  1. CoinMatt

    CoinMatt New Member

    I recently acquired this little silver coin. I've never seen anything like it, what seems to be Victory on the reverse and a left facing bearded bust on the obverse. There is an old chip over the face of the bust and is clipped. That brings it's attributes to only 12mm and 0.83 grams! If anyone can help, I'd be glad to hear what they have to say.

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  3. ArtDeco

    ArtDeco Well-Known Member

    This one is very strange, maybe it was a commemorative series coin? It looks late Roman , are you sure it is a solid AR type metal or is it "silvered"?

    Edit: Obverse could also be struct over an existing Roman coin.
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2022
  4. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Never seen anything by like it. Reverse looks like a SPES REIPBVLICAE, but legend don’t match. So strange. Never seem silver get that small
  5. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    The obverse is really unusual. My first thought is (uncertain) medieval obverse struck over a clipped siliqua. I've searched a while online, but couldnt find anything resembling the obverse.
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  6. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Bump. I really want to know what the he’ll this is
  7. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

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  8. CoinMatt

    CoinMatt New Member

    I've been running in circles for a while now and still found nothing as a match. It could be silvered for all I know, but it does have the chip and looks silver inside as well. The only thing I've found are these quinarii of probus. Still not exact though as victory has a globe on mine and there is no shield with the bust. King_Quinarii_10A.jpg King_Quinarii_10.jpg
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  9. CoinMatt

    CoinMatt New Member

    The ornate armor is a big outlier, I can't seem to find anything like it. It does have a late roman look to the face. I'm not too versed on that. Could it be a fractional siliqua?
  10. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    if you don't mind, what's the source for this coin?
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  11. CoinMatt

    CoinMatt New Member

    I got it from an older collector who is letting go of areas of his collection. He hadn't identified it himself. It's been in private view for a while.
  12. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    The small size might indicate quinarius, but it’s so odd. Maybe it’s a reduced aureus struck in silver as a test strike, or meant for menial circulation?
  13. David@PCC


    My initial thoughts: a Bulgarian fantasy
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  14. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I see you’re a fan of the Razor of Occam…
  15. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I wonder if we can parse the lettering and narrow down a max and min letters. Would help to narrow down the supposed emperor portrayed and help us move forward with possible ID.

    the rev looks much like a SPES REIPVBLICAE of Constantius II, which I don’t recall on coins of probus.

    it combines an INVICTO—- rev motif with an emperor holding globe, which i personally don’t recognize.
  16. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Ditto, and how do we know it is silver and not some leaded pot metal?
  17. marchal steel

    marchal steel Active Member

    Could that be Jupiter holding the globe? Something appears behind him...
  18. CoinMatt

    CoinMatt New Member

    Are there other fantasy pieces struck and this small? I personally am confused as I highly doubt it was cast as it has flow lines and signs of poor aging. The size is very small and I see no reason to make something that small as a fantasy piece. The thought that it could be barbarous has crossed my mind however.
  19. CoinMatt

    CoinMatt New Member

    From what is visible I can read on the obverse, "IM(P) -----(S) AUG"
    And on the reverse, "VICTO----"
  20. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    If barbarous, that’s extremely well done with incredibly details for something so small.
  21. David@PCC


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