I just bought this Otacilia Severa. I think its FAKE

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Beginner345, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. Beginner345

    Beginner345 Active Member

    Are these supposed to be bronze underneath? Or is this a fake coin?

    Are Antoninius coins part bronze and part silver?

    otaciliacopper.jpg OTACILIA1.jpg OTACILIA2.jpg

    THIS LOOKS SILVER PLATED
    forum ancient coins shows this coin- and many Otacilia coins as common online forgeries.
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    The coin is fine.
     
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  4. Beginner345

    Beginner345 Active Member

    It looks like its silver plated copper or bronze. Did they do that for official Antoninius coins?

    doesn't it look soapy? but not cast . struck fake?

    I thought I was buying a denarius but I didn't see that it was Antoninus. Are they supposed to be like this?
     
  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    By this time the silver content was fairly low and it isn't rare to have some copper show through on ancients after being buried so long. And the reverse has a weak strike.
     
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  6. Beginner345

    Beginner345 Active Member

    I don't just mean show through.
    I buffed the side because it looks like a modern forgery on forumancientcoins fake reports ( but I wasn't sure if it was a die match for them)

    Was it a mostly bronze coin with silver on top back then?
     
  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I've owned many of her to tell it's real. And this period of Rome has more silver in them, they weren't "silvered" yet.
     
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  8. Beginner345

    Beginner345 Active Member

    if it has more silver then why it is so reddish underneath? it looks like copper/bronze/brass.
     
  9. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    This coin is fine. If you can’t tell that this coin is authentic yourself or trust others when you ask... you should always be buying from sellers you can trust.
     
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  10. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billon_(alloy)


    the alloy varies, but coins at this time usually (there are always exceptions) only had around 30-40% silver, the rest of the alloy was mainly copper-- circa 60%
     
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    @Mat has a good eye and is very knowledgable. I trust his opinion among several others here.

    I usually do a lot of homework by using the CoinTalk Search in the upper right corner, acsearch.com, wildwinds.com, cng.com, forumancientcoins, wikipedia (quick history), fake reports, look up the terms describing the coin, research the seller, metallurgy, dates, etc. etc. BEFORE I buy. It gives me an acceptable level of confidence.

    I will also private message folks that are familiar or experts before I pull the trigger.

    I like to KNOW the Seller AND/OR KNOW the coin.

    It keeps you from running around with you hair on fire.
     
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  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Looks fine to me. Here are some of my Otacilia antoniniani:

    Otacilia Severa CONCORDIA AVGG.jpg Otacilia Severa CONCORDIA short obv inscr.jpg Otacilia Severa IVNO CONSERVAT Antoninianus.jpg Otacilia Severa PIETAS AVG standing no altar.jpg Otacilia Severa PIETAS AVG standing w altar.jpg Otacilia Severa PVDICITIA AVG antoninianus.jpg Otacilia Severa SAECVLARES AVGG Antoninianus.jpg
     
  13. Silverlock

    Silverlock Well-Known Member

    The surface appearance of billon coins can range from silver to bronze, depending on how they were minted, the percentage of silver, and the amount of wear. Even low silver percentage billon coins can look silver on the outside, through the minting process of surface enrichment the Romans used to disguise the fact their silver coins were debased.

    [It’s up to you, but you really would save yourself a lot of angst about fakes by only shopping from known reputable dealers.]
     
  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  15. Multatuli

    Multatuli Homo numismaticus

    Nothing wrong with it.
     
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  16. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    DITTO what everyone else said. :arghh:
     
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  17. Titojurdi

    Titojurdi New Member

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    How does this one seem to you guys?
     
  18. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    @Titojurdi very fake.

    Buy from dealers you know you can trust!

    Welcome. I hope you find the right coins and stick around.
     
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  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    How does yours compare to the one below?
    ro1130bb1396.jpg
     
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  20. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    Are you a member over at ForumAncientCoins?
     
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