I decided to Back off This One...much to my regret

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Eduard, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Now that the auction is over I can go ahead and show you the one that I 'almost got.'

    In spite of this being of the few on my list of coins I would still like to get while I am of this earth (hopefully still for a long while:)), I decided to back-off this one simply for the reason that, on the picture at least, the coin looks a bit porous, potentially crystallised and therefore fragile.

    You may recall thread about my beautiful Nero denarius which ended up in two pieces?
    Well, that one really spooked me, and I did not want to run anew the risk of ending up with two pieces of an expensive coin in my hands. It just looks fragile to me.

    I know that it is difficult (impossible) to judge from a picture, but I just did not feel comfortable with it.

    I made it part of the way thru the bidding, and then commonsense took over.

    On the bright side, now I have some funds for something else...

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    Last edited: Nov 28, 2018
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  3. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    There is an old french proverb from the XIII century who says :a scalded cat even fears cold water......
     
  4. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    looks OK to me , no cracks , attractive Caligula denarius ,depends on price if it would be a good buy.
    need one too , in the meantime I'm happy with my fouree:

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  5. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I may yet live to regret that decision, but at the moment I think I did the right thing
    (at least I think I do...).

    Post your 'I almost, almost got this' if you have any!
     
  6. SeptimusT

    SeptimusT Well-Known Member

    For what it's worth, I've also noticed that some auction houses photograph their coins in such a way that emphasizes their roughness beyond what is visible in hand. This can create the appearance of crystallization where it isn't in reality very bad. But I don't blame you for being spooked.
     
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  7. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I hope that I am not spooked top the point where I start seeing potential crystallisation in every denarius I come across which interests me - but I don't think that will happen!
     
  8. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Too bad @Eduard but sometimes you just have to make a tough decision about a coin. In a recent auction I backed off on a solidus of Heraclius that just was a bit too worn for my liking, so I started getting buyer's remorse even before it was in hand.
     
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    We all have standards by which we judge coins. I do not mind wear at all compared to coins with poor centering, rough surfaces and poor metal. It is all good. We each can have the coins that appeal to us. I have many coins that have the faults that bother me but those are the spacefillers. Worn coins are more likely to stay here long term.
     
  10. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    If you were doubting it before buying it, you would not have been happy with it. I think being happy with a purchase is more important than the one that got away.

    As mentioned above, photos can be deceiving. Here are 2 photos of a Caligula denarius. One is from Forum Ancient Coins and one is mine.


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  11. Multatuli

    Multatuli Homo numismaticus

    Looks good to me. Besides that, signs of crystallization enhances the natural qualities of any coin with nearly 2,000 years. Besides conferring authenticity, hardly a silver coin with more than 800-900 years will not fail to present some signs.
    I understand your concerns. Once I received a sassanian drachm that was delivered broken. Of courier, this is naturally pissed me off.
    But at first, in your coin and IMHO, I would like to see it in hands, before decide to give up.

    Yeah! I think that is an universal proverb, well known in my language.
     
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  12. Multatuli

    Multatuli Homo numismaticus

    P.S.: Never buy a bracteate!:smuggrin:
     
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I can see why you're a bit shell-shocked from the Nero denarius experience. I've still got a little lingering PTSD myself, from those photos! :nailbiting:

    Actually, I intend to do just that, soon. There's one on my short list. It'll be my first. But it's small and has a complete flan with no pinholes, and so theoretically less at risk of breakage. I won't be flexing it and it will end up in a PCGS slab eventually. And it's inexpensive anyway.
     
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  14. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i'm with melord on this one...:)
     
  15. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I guess i'll never know if this one is really sound, but that area under the bust where the planchet looks like a bit chipped-off did not help.
     
  16. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I almost bought this one below yesterday at the CNG auction. I dont know, something held me back. It wasn't price, it sold a paltry $95 (I feel bad for the consignor). Its just that something was telling me not to buy it. Who knows why we dont always pull the trigger? Will I regret it? Maybe, but eventually another will come along. They always do (well, in most cases) 4330221.jpg .
     
  17. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I regret not going after this unique Vespasian denarius earlier this month. A victim of a busy weekend and other targets in my sites.

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    And it sold for less than I would have bid.
     
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  18. Plumbata

    Plumbata Well-Known Member

    That's some definite chipping (or spalling?) of the crystallized silver, plus additional smaller edge chips that aren't as eye-catching. The vertical line in front of his face and horizontal line that goes straight to his mouth from the vertical line look like evidence of internal cracks/fractures too (not sure if that was also a factor), hard to say but if these are turn-offs then you probably made the right decision.

    Given my inexperience, lower standards and limited budget I like crystallization as it is about as close as I can get to a guarantee of authenticity, but the risk of a rarity breaking into 2 or 3 pieces isn't exactly a desirable feature.
     
  19. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Exactly! one thing is a $200-$300 denarius breaking into 3 pieces.
    That hurts.
    Quite another is a $2500+ denarius doing the same thing.
    That hurts a whole lot more.

    I doubt the auction house would re-imburse me for something like that. Don't know for sure, but it is a good question.
     
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  20. Bayern

    Bayern Active Member

    I have one currently, but would like to get more in the future. (Most of my coins are from mid 1500’s onwards, but am growing the collection as much as possible). If not too much trouble, could you list some of the other things to look out for when considering purchase of a bracteate? Thank you in advance :)
     
  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    If that was directed at me, I'd suggest asking somebody who actually knows something about bracteates. ;)

    I'm still uninitiated in that area, but hoping to add my first, soon. For me? I'd look for a piece without cracks or raggedy edges to the flan, which should be nice and round.

    Other than that, it's about the appeal of the design for me. The one I have my eye on is simple but not too crude. The more detailed, elaborate ones get pricey.

    Sorry if we've strayed a bit from the topic. Resume.
     
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