This Ebay seller was just brought to my attention by fretboard in another thread. This guy has recently sold a cute 1800 Bust dollar and a seated liberty dollar that looked a little rusty and an 1895 Morgan. Whatever he is selling, he appears to be getting away with it. Item 170382902576 is now on sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170382902576&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D170382902576%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 Feedback on his past sales: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=julest36&ftab=A llFeedback&sspagename=VIP:feedback Of course, I hope that this guys coins are all good. However, if the opinion at CT is that this guy is selling counterfeits, what is the precise mechanism for reporting a suspected counterfeit on Ebay? Should you first contact the seller?
For one thing you must be carefull with reporting anything you only SUSPECT to be a fake. Make sure you read all on that entry. Might have a blob about the photo not the same as the coin. Might even state not sure if real or something like that. The main thing is if you give your name and you are not correct about the coin, you could end up with a law suite on your hands.
Only report a seller if you know beyond a shadow of doubt the coins are fake. However, looking at the past sales of this seller, does show he is only selling key date koinz and that is typical of counterfeit sellers: 1909-S IHC: http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-S-INDIAN-HEAD-PENNY-WITH-BOOK-AND-23-INDIAN-HEADS_W0QQitemZ170381553711 1870-S SLD: http://cgi.ebay.com/1870-S-Seated-Liberty-Dollar_W0QQitemZ170378778504 1800 DBD: http://cgi.ebay.com/1800-DRAPE-BUST-SILVER-DOLLAR_W0QQitemZ170379267333 1878-CC & 1882-CC Morgans: http://cgi.ebay.com/1882cc-Carson-City-with-certificate-and-an-1878cc_W0QQitemZ170378619849 1808 CBH: http://cgi.ebay.com/1808-Drape-Bust-Half-Dollar_W0QQitemZ170377854322 1919-S & 1927-S Walkers: http://cgi.ebay.com/1919s-and-1927s-LIBERTY-HALF-DOLLAR_W0QQitemZ170377846303 By what I can tell by the crappy pics, all are counterfeits, including the 1916-D Mercury in the OP and the poor pics tell me the seller is fully aware they are counterfeits, so I say REPORT AWAY! :thumb: Ribbit
As to how t o report it, in the upper right corner below "Seller info" and "Other item info", you will find; Click on the "report item" and follow the directions. As for determining whether or not this is a counterfeit, good luck with pictures that small.
I'm surprised you can't tell with the pics provided: I would think any serious IHC collector could out that one! :goof: Ribbit Ps: Did you not click on the images and view the larger versions? :kewl:
Ps: I don't think 1800 DBD's are suppose to have rims? It's hard to believe someone bid $900 for that POS! :goof: Ribbit
Most of the pictures are very small and on most of them I would not be willing to definitely state that they are fakes and why they are fake. But the Indian head cent is a no brainer fake (Wrong obv hub type) as is the 1800 dollar (rims and the font on the date is wrong). The walkers appear to almost certainly be fake but with the picture I wouldn't swear they were. I like his little scam with the CC dollars. Has an 1882-CC with a COA! Problem is that COA type goes with with a Mint State 1882-CC dollar. Even with those bad pictures there is no mistaking that coin for a MS piece. The problem is that it does no good to report a SUSPECTED fake, you have to be sure and be able to explain WHY it is fake in such a way that you are able to convince an unknowledgeable eBay employee that it IS a fake. Because if you don't have convincing evidence to back up your claim they will err in the seller favor
I was looking closer at this one, while attempting to attribute (what a joke), and I realized Ms. Liberty was given a boob enhancement. :kewl: Her boobs ain't suppose to stick out that far. :bigeyes: Ribbit
I have found the best way to deal with that type of situation is to let the auction end, then message the losing high bidder after they've left feedback and inform them the seller they bought their coin from, has sold other fakes and I suspect the one they bought to also be fake but due to the poor pics, I couldn't be 100% certain. I also tell them to have it examined by an "expert" (coin shop, TPG, etc...). :thumb: I've had really good luck with that method! :hammer: Ribbit Ps: Here's the losing high bidder of the 1800 DBD: http://myworld.ebay.com/shashaban Pps: I've treid to contact that person but Ebay won't let me. :goof: I think Ebay's onto me. :whistle:
Most, if not all of what he has sold look counterfeit. I just reported them. I have seen many people ask how to report suspicious listings on Ebay. Based on having spoken to individuals at the ANA and Ebay, following is what I believe is the best way to report suspected counterfeits, scams, etc. If anyone has other, better ways/suggestions, please post them here. 1) Click on "report item" beneath the square that says "Other item info" and contains the item number. 2) Under "reason for report" select "prohibited (banned items)" 3) Under "detailed reason" select "currency, coins, stamps.." 4) Under "additional information" select "fraudulently or improperly described currency" 5) Click on the blue box that says "continue" 6) Enter the item number(s) in the item number box, with a comma between each item number 7) In the "brief description" box, write "'counterfeit", or whatever, and if you have additional brief/specific information, add it too.
If anyone states they are not sure a coin is counterfeit (most likely it is counterfeit), it is still ILLEGAL to sell a counterfeit whether known or unknown by the seller. I have also seen, and reported, many auctions where the seller clearly stated that the mint mark had been added, or the date was altered, etc. Even if the fake coin is advertised as a fake, unless the coin has "copy" clearly stamped on the coin, it is still completely illegal for that person to be auctioning an altered, fake, or counterfeit coin for sale.
I disagree. I believe that EBay has outside (numismatic) consultants review the reports and you don't have to be able to prove your case to an unknowledgeable Ebay employee.
Good post 89! I really didn't even think of counterfeit when I posted that pic up there. I just posted it as a bad pic. Heck, that's the second time that I've used a pic for some other reason in a thread (not about fakes) and in both instances they showed to be fakes. I don't know if I'm picking up a vibe or just luckily outing these phonies!! Oh, with the help of this forum!!
I agree with Mark. Ebay has people who will review the listing and make a decision. I don't believe you will be held liable just for reporting to Ebay that you suspect a listing is counterfeit, nor do I believe anyone other than Ebay will know who did the reporting.
I assure everyone that they will not be "held liable just for reporting to Ebay". Were you held liable for reporting suspected problems, I would have been kicked off eBay literally 1000's of times. In stead, I got special reporting privileges.
What inadvertently occurred is you happened to show what many sellers dew when they are selling counterfeits as authentic . . . . they provide crappy pics. Also, the crappy pics help to show the seller knows they are fake and by what I can tell, the seller hasn't sold an authentic coin so the odds are great the seller was NARU'd before under a different username and has come back under a new username to continue their scam. :whistle: Ribbit
