How to distinguish die struck counterfeit 1856 flying eagle?

So, this coin is posted honestly as a die struck counterfeit on Collector's Corner. How do we know that it is what it is? And what does it mean "die struck"? genuine mint dies used by mint workers? reproduced dies? hmm? I'm new to pennies.

 

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Only 2000 were minted so it's an expensive coin, thereby it's highly counterfeited.

 

The coin in your post is not a die stuck counterfeit as I understand it. First, the date is oversized and the wrong styled digits. Second, the lettering style is not correct for an 1856. It should have a block O in OF and thinner letters overall. Thirdly, there appears to be casting roughness over the whole coin.

To me, a die struck counterfeit would be a coin made using dies from a genuine host coin. Meaning, someone created dies using a genuine 1856 flying eagle cent, then used those dies to strike fakes. This isn't the case with the coin in the pics. The coin you show is just a bad fake, sloppily and improperly made, whether it was stuck or cast.

 

These would be the best counterfeits, of course. But a "die struck counterfeit" just means it was made by a strike from a die. It doesn't mean anything about where the die came from. These die may sometimes have started as a copy of a genuine coin, but then the counterfeiter touched it up to improve the appearance; or the counterfeiter sometimes made their own dies.

"Die Struck" is just compared to some other method of manufacture, such as "cast". A cast counterfeit could also have dies copied from genuine coins, or not.

 

Die struck counterfeit just means it was struck using counterfeit dies as opposed to being cast or an altered genuine coin. Doesn't matter how the counterfeit dies were produced.

 

Here's a real one.
It's an S-3 in MS-62.

 

You are thinking of “die transfer”, which does use a genuine coin. “Die struck” just means that it was struck from dies and not cast

 

I want to buy it.

 

With the odd edge and pimples/ blisters on it I would wonder if it actually were "die struck"...

Definitely current CN with the reverse "chip"; is the listing till up?

 

Three year old thread, Jack.

 

Killing me; so it was brought back with "I want to buy it"?

Thanks @green18 !

 

LOL!

 

Actually, six year old thread. How and why somebody digs up a thread like this is part of the entertainment here I guess.

 

For your information I want to collect all 13 specimens of the brazil brass variety including the one counter stamped copy. Anything made in 1908 is still an antique in my mind and now that those specimens are considered protected due to their age, I would like to hold them in my hands. I want to pair the best specimens of the brazil brass to the best two bronze wide am reverse or small date 1856 specimens I have selected from the original 27 to have some variety other then cooper nickel in my collection. I currently have kept 3 one brass close Am reverse 1856 dated large date variety and two wide am reverse variety or small date 1856 specimens. I kept the two out of 27 bronze specimens because they were unaltered and not cleaned and the brass one because it is the only one I have of the large date 1856 variety. I have only seen and held in my hand one au55 genuine 1856 flying eagle cent which was very white metal and clearly cooper nickel. The others that I have seen look like off metal varieties or copper alloys of a different variety. My favorite of the varieties that I have seen is the 1856 flying eagle half cent made of silver colored metal it is slightly cleaned as if it turned black and it still has a black outline around the eagle and a few rub marks but other then that the eagle is beautiful. I don't know if the specimen in genuine it being a half cent but who really cares as long as you can hold it in your hands and look at it under a light and a loop. How exciting!

 

Ya lost me...