How can this coin be a 65 & a green bean no less

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  1. cc fanetic

    cc fanetic Active Member

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  3. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Trust your own eyeballs. There are many CAC coins I wouldn't write home about.
     
  4. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    21 Morgans are graded on a curve so to speak.This appears to me, a righteous 65, with booming luster and sharp strike. The weird looking streaks on the upper reverse are feed finger gouges and dont affect grade. On the flip side, if this were an 80/81 S it would probably go 63.

    Sidenote- these pics are sort of blurry so i cant make a call 100% either way
     
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  5. cc fanetic

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    this coin is as "fugly" for the grade & bean as it gets.

    or it got the grade & bean, cuz of the submitter, ie ha or?
     
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Agree with the luster, looks booming. Not every Bean means an extra grade.
     
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  7. cc fanetic

    cc fanetic Active Member

    but green bean means solid for the given grade.
    I would not describe its luster as "booming."
     
  8. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Fugly is a good description.
     
  9. cc fanetic

    cc fanetic Active Member

    Here is a coin w/"booming" luster.
    20161113_161026.jpg
     
  10. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    This one looks good to me.. As @heavycam.monstervam said, they are graded slightly differently.

    Another member here once compared the return of the '21 Morgan to Michael Jordan coming back to play for the Washington Wizards after retiring from the Bulls. A few of them look good, but they are just not reminiscent of the Morgan's of '78-'04. You kinda wish they just never came back and ended their career on a high note.
     
  11. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    No....
    Ill show you a fugly MS65 Morgan
    Heres 2 >> $_3.jpg $_3-1.jpg $_3-3.jpg $_3-4.jpg
    Both graded MS65 (1 pcgs ) (1 ngc)
    Pulled from ebay
     
  12. cc fanetic

    cc fanetic Active Member

    I love it to be able to shoot from the hip about lousy, inconsistent TPG coins w/out getting banned.
     
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  13. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

    That coins looks like a great 65 to me. Actually one of the few 21s I'd be in on at the right price (which would be a premium most likely). You can definitely find lots of inconsistencies with TPGs but this one appears (pics aren't great) to not be a great example.
     
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  14. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'll trust PCGS and CAC got it right on this one. It's every bit of a 65.
     
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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I agree. The rest of you are simply "eye-appeal" grading. The problem with that's after awhile you couldn't get a feel for a strong technical grade
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  16. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Bwaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaahaa
    Ha!aa!aaaaahahahahahhhaaa

    :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::dead:
     
  17. cc fanetic

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  18. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    You don't like that Morgan? So what? Many CAC'ed coins are ugly and don't meet my standards either. If I understand it correctly, the CAC sticker is more about original surfaces and technical grade than eye-appeal... if you want eye-appeal you should look at Morgans with an NGC star grade. And no coin receives a "better" grade because of the submitter...
     
  19. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Also not accounting for the washed out over-lit slightly out of focus picture.
     
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  20. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Oh boy... let's compare apples with apples please - not with oranges. NGC MS65 Morgan w/booming luster:

    IMG_1271.JPG IMG_1270.JPG

    I don't see why this coin wouldn't get a sticker too.
     
  21. cc fanetic

    cc fanetic Active Member

    I agree (see my comments re: lousy & in consistent grading)
     
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