How about some Talers/Thalers

How about your Talers or Thalers. Yep, those BIG European silver dollar sized coins. Here is a 1794 King Frederick Wilhelm with two cavemen w/clubs on the reverse.

Bone

 

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B

 

Sorry, don't have such thalers. All I have is large silver rubles which you can see it at omnicoin.

I am in a process of getting a Russian ruble that possibly has been overstruck on an Austrian thaler, which would be VERY interesting

 

I didn't know some of the Russian Rubles featured the two headed eagle? That's interesting. I love the 1764 one you have.

B

 

Thank you Bone. Yes, Russia did have similar emblems of the Austrian ones. I wouldn't be suprised if the Russians copied such designs.

The following coin here is one that I highly suspect that is overstruck on a Austrian thaler except that I cannot gather any more infomation as Austrian coinage is not one of my particular areas unfortunately.

1730 1 ruble.



In which I have highlighted the lines in rough details in red.

 

Those types of coins are among my favorites. The over-strike thing is pretty interesting.

 

...and here's one I will probably take to the grave with me. :smile

 

Ian, those look AWESOME. GREAT Coins Thanks for posting pictures.

Bone

 

Here are a few of mine. Sorry for the wildly different image quality from coin to coin. I've got a lot more, but they aren't imaged yet. Someday I'll get them done along with better images of these...

A 1614 German Teutonic Order 2 Taler in Choice AU. I've got the 1/4T (Choice Unc) and the 1/2T (AU) and am looking for a nice 1T, 3T 4T, and the klippes - as well as upgrading the 1/2T.





A 1624 German Ottingen-Ottingen taler in Choice Unc.



A 1643 German Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel taler in what I feel is Choice Unc, but NGC says Choice AU.



A 1719 German Munster 1.5 Taler (medallic) featuring Charlemagne in Choice AU.



A 1770 German Speyer Taler in Choice AU. I believe the mintage is around 5,000 for this coin, but I don't have my reference books with me.



A 1645 German Metz taler in Choice VF.



A 1573 German Lubeck taler in Choice AU.



A 1621 Swiss Zug taler in Choice VF.

 

Metz is in France,not Germany.

Aidan.

 

It did swap hands on a number of occasions and has been part of both Germany & France :smile

De Orc

 

So did Strasbourg.I see that the coins of Strasbourg are listed under German States,yet Strasbourg is the capital of Alsace-Lorraine,which is in France.

Aidan.

 

The best info I have found says it was German until 1650 after the Peace of Westphalia.

 

One of the best info sites I know for MT Thalers is this...

http://www.jdsworld.net/article/m_theresa_thalers.html

Speedy

 

Strasbourg is the "capital" of Alsace, not Alsace-Lorraine. (A. and L. are two different French regions.) But the point here is, you will always find people who would prefer to see coins (of "entities" that do not exist as such any more) listed under the name of the country that they now belong to - while others rather see them listed according to their historical context.

To pick a modern example, I find it somewhat odd that the SCWC (I have the 2004 ed.) lists the 20c Danzig coins as part of the Poland entry ... while all inscriptions on the coins are in German. Since the city is Polish, it does make sense, of course. But as it was a "free city" when these coins were issued, it should actually have its own entry.

Oh, and some of the t(h)aler coins shown here are just gorgeous!

Christian

 

True enough. I have a hard time deciding how to store my collection, may it be postage stamps or coins.

Hong Kong for example, should I group them under Great Britain for pre-1997 stuff with other GB colonial issues and put post-1997 issue under China? or Make them a separate entry in my album? But then I would wish to put all my Hong Kong stuff together in one spot.... dilemma dilemma!

 

James,pre-1997 Hong Kong coins are definitely British Commonwealth issues.I have no interest in any Hong Kong stuff issued after the handover.Irish coins issued after 1949,on the other hand,are of interest to me,as the same design types have been used even though Ireland withdrew from the British Commonwealth in 1949.

Aidan.

 

Ian

I am very interested in the 3rd coin you posted, the one you said you'd take to the grave with you. Could you tell me a little about it. Of course all those coin are very nice. I haven't gotten any Thalers yet. JonySky

 

Here's an earlier thread, which led to some dialogue concerning the person depicted on it.

http://www.cointalk.org/thread9477-whats-youre-favorite-or-most-beautiful-coin-pics-please.html

If there's anything in particular you want to know about the coin that's not covered, just ask. The coin is exceedingly difficult to find at a reasonable price. `Scarce' is a very relative term in that it is amazing just how many so-called `scarce' coins come out into the open when enough money is on the table. I don't think that the remaining population of this particular coin is all that high though.

I got `hooked' collecting world `crown size' coins (French Ecu's, Spanish pieces of eight, German and Austrian talers, Netherlands Dalders, Scandinavian Dalers, Brit Crowns and Dollars, Japanese/ Chinese Dragon dollars etcetera). An amazing diversity of history and artistry as well as being nice collectable chunks of silver.

Every collection should have at least ONE taler IMHO. There is no excuse for not having at least a Maria Theresia Taler in your collection. It's one of the most beautiful coins in the world. The fact that they are still being struck is living testimony to that. I would try to get hold of one of the early strikes of the Burgau type (the common trade taler). In circa VF condition they are often available for just a little above silver bullion prices. That's the same as you'll pay for a restrike excepting the real McCoy is far nicer. I'm greedy. I've got a few different MT talers including earlier Burgau and more modern restrikes too

Ian

 

Here's a couple more crown size silver pieces i have in my collection, this time from the Low Countries