Honest grade on this Charlotte gold?

I was just wondering if you guys would give an honest grade to this charlotte $5.
Looks very original and dirty, which I like. But it's not graded by ngc or pcgs so I was just curious.
Thanks!

 

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Im probably wrong but it looks cleaned...so id say details.

 

The devices seem to have a lot of dirt (which is good) and the fields seem to have a nice darker tone. I'm no pro but it looks as original as any old gold I've seen. But I could be wrong too

 

VF20 or thereabouts. Those tend to get overgraded IMO as a branch mint weakly struck coin. One thing's for sure if a gold coin has a hope of a numerical grade, that one has a better shot than some.

 

The only reason i say that are all the little micro scratches throughout the surface, but that could be from circulation. And i don't see dirt a lot on the surface, more so trapped in the finer details, and letters.

 

There wouldn't be dirt on the surface...
This would be considered "dirty gold" with the dirt trapped in the devices

 

Have you ever even seen a Charlotte gold in hand?

As a standard gold piece I would say vf30ish, Georgia gold is known for bad planchets, I do not know enough about Charlotte gold to say if its even legit.

 

haha.
Ya, it's holdered and certified...just not by a company I like. I don't really have doubts on its authenticity...it's just hard to grade Charlotte gold in my experience.
Thanks!

 

NGC/PCGS VF25 +/-

ANACS VF20

Accugrade/NNC AU55

 

Looking at an example on the pcgs website and this one, the "c" on this one seems to be off..thats a little fishy

 

No i have not, i said i am probably wrong. Live and learn. Anyways, the C looks closer to the branch comapred to the PCGS one.

 

Compare to Heritage coins too: http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=210053&lotNo=24107#Photo

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1139&lotNo=3612

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1156&lotNo=9338

 

Do they have Varietys for eagles minted @ charlotte...maybe it's one? I thought my mintmark on my CC dime was weird till jester told me its a variety.

 

Who certified your piece, or would you rather not say? You could always call up one of the experts on the coin like Doug Winter, or email him to find out: http://www.raregoldcoins.com/

 

But with some of the dirt traps heavier than other spots, there should be more of these, they look too inconsistent where some were more easily removed, which tells me this coin has been cleaned with the scratches going in different directions that don't look like normal circulation type scratches and ding marks. I'd vote it's been cleaned too, at some point.

 

I'd say VF20 . What I think I see is an attempt to remove something from the obverse just infront & below the chin . So I think it would be genuine VF if certified.

 

I'd grade the coin F-15, but would not surprise me if it resided in a 20 or 25 slab -- these coins tend to be liberally graded, IMO.

Also, I don't think any of the gouges are bad enough to keep this out of a NGC/PCGS slab. It's circulated gold, and these things are to be expected, IMO.

That said, this is a valuable coin, and worth much more in a PCGS or NGC slab -- so I do wonder if perhaps there's something we're not seeing in the pics (that, and I have a tough time admitting G may be right lol ). Coins like this are generally in 2nd or 3rd tier slabs for a reason.

 

I'd give it a strong VF30. And I think it has a very good shot at grading cleanly with PCGS or NGC. They are very forgiving when it comes to old southern gold.

Here's my Charlotte half eagle graded VF30 by PCGS.
Lance.

 

Yeah, that C does seem suspect. Not to say they couldn't have used a modified reverse die. Don't know enough about them. It definitely does not match the known authentic on PCGS though. Hard to say.