Hone your grading skills - 1901 IHC

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  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    It has more luster than the picture shows. My guess is MS something. What do you think?

    Thanks!
    Eduard
     

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  3. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    I'm not to good with smaller coins, but I would say if it's UNC I would go at least ms64 or 65. I see very few marks. That is one very nice looking coin. :thumb:
     
  4. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I agree 64/65 bn based off the pictures. Very nice coin.
     
  5. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I think that is a solid 65 and it would not astound me if it got a 66. That is a real nice clean coin.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I agree, it is very clean. But the flatness of the rim at 3 o'clock disturbs me. Flatness in the headdress is to be expected at times with these - but on the rim ? No way I would give it a gem grade, and if examined at the proper angles it may not even be deserving of an MS grade at all. Perhaps even no grade. Tough call for me on this one.
     
  7. tpsadler

    tpsadler Numismatist

    This is a very nice coin. There is wear on the obverse above the 01 in the tips of the features and also @ 1:30 - 2:30 O'Clock in the features. This coin has been weak struck or the photo's do not do it any justice as apparent on the rim of the obverse right side. I will have to go AU58 on this one. I will be ducking after this grade.:eek:
     
  8. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

  9. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    I would opinion that a first glance, one might see a high end MS. I'm going to go the other way, AU to low end MS for the very reason's GD and tpsad stated.
     
  10. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Well don't know if others are seeing it, but I think I see wear on the hair below the ear..
    Seems like an AU63 slider to me...
    AU58, wonder what the grade is?
     
  11. just coins

    just coins New Member

    I would go with AU 55 there apears to be some wear on the reverse shield high points, and to me there's not that much mint luster left on this coin

    The obverse seems to be problem free looks like a split grade coin to me 61/55. The lower grade always wins which is a AU55 .

    There's no such grade as an AU63 tmoneyeagles

    JC
     

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  12. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    tough cookie
     
  13. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    I see no wear and it is super clean, ms 64
     
  14. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    I hope you know that I know that.
    You obviously have not seen Lehigh's thread, have ya? :D
    The whole AU63 concept, is an AU coin that looks good enough to be a MS coin. Lemme' find that thread
     
  15. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    LOL! Seems as though I did what somebody else did, by calling it a AU63, then went looking for the thread under AU63...
    Here you go jazzcoins, enjoy (AU64)
    http://www.cointalk.com/forum/t41621/
     
  16. just coins

    just coins New Member

    Never heard of that in all the forty five years I have been collecting I heard of a MS 71 coin .:rolling:
    JC
     
  17. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Well I gave you the link to the thread...
    This coin could be a candidate for an AU64... :)
    You might have never heard of AU63 or AU64, but you do know that some AU coins look better than uncirculated coins.
     
  18. just coins

    just coins New Member

    That;s really taking the grading system out of context:hammer:What, an uncirculated coin is an uncirculated coin an Au coin is an Au coin and that;s it.I like the joke whoever came up with this theory is not well. .
    JC.
     
  19. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    FWIW, and since I think that I'm one of the biggest users of the AU63 / AU64 term, here's what I mean by it.

    A coin called an AU 63 coin is what I would call a "slider". It's a coin that is really a nice 58 that the TPGs will likely market graded MS 63 (or 64) but could also grade AU 58.

    Hope this helps explain how I use that term (which is slightly different from Lehigh's great linked thread above), and is submitted as MHO...Mike
     
  20. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Yes you use the term a lot, but I'm trying to think of the person like me, who searched for AU63 and looked for Lehigh's thread, and it was actually AU64.. lol
    Yes mike I know how you use it, and it makes total sense to me :)
     
  21. just coins

    just coins New Member

    The grading system is confusing enough to the novices ,and to label these coins like the TPGs did is totally ridiculous on my part I don't like the TPGS grading system anyway just my opinion.

    You won't find that in the ANA grading system which I use
    JC
     
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