Here are Some Toned Indian Cents from My Personal Collection

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by The Penny Lady®, Jun 5, 2009.

  1. The Penny Lady®

    The Penny Lady® Coin Dealer

    I finally got some of the coins from my personal collection photographed by Todd ( and thought I'd start sharing them. I posted some of these on the PCGS forum but thought I'd post some here too. Here's the first group.

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  3. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Very sweet indeed.
  4. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    Those are very nice coins indeed. You should be proud. :thumb:
  5. flyers10

    flyers10 Collector of US Coinage

    Wow...Awesome coins:thumb: Todd one great coin photographer also.
  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    There are some nice looking coin there. I wish I had some like that.

    May I ask why the grade on the 88? Maybe something is hidden by the color, but that sure looks to be a lot higher grade than a 64.
  7. The Penny Lady®

    The Penny Lady® Coin Dealer

    I agree, PCGS got stingy on that one - it sure is pretty and although it has a couple very tiny nicks near the chin, I think it should have been MS65 - but that doesn't matter that much to me, it's the quality of the coin I look for to fit into my set, and I really don't care what the holder says, or even whose holder it is.
  8. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    Beautiful coins, I really like that 1884 :thumb:.
  9. vincent2920

    vincent2920 Senior Member

    Nice stuff ... however ... I'm willing to bet hat if you had not shown the NGC slabs along with the coins that at least half the people that responded to the post would have said they were AT or cleaned coins. Let's see who's honest and will reply. By the way ... I'm one of those people.
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    It would still aggravate me. Too bad they don't have to explain the grading. Maybe that was just to make up for that 68 lol. If that one is a 66, you have some nice 67's there.
  11. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    The 1888 is my favorite! :D
    That is just cool!
    I loved toned coins, and IHC look great toned! Thanks for sharing
  12. The Penny Lady®

    The Penny Lady® Coin Dealer

    Since I specialize in copper and have for many years now, I've had the opportunity to look, loupe, and carefully inspect quite an abundance of copper coins. While I feel I have a decent eye for determining whether a coin has been chemically toned, I agree artificially toned coins can be deceivingly well done. I also have a good understanding about the many ways copper can tone, and it's been argued and discussed over and over again, here and on other forums, what is considered "artificial" and "natural." Coins can naturally/artificially tone over time depending on how and what they are stored in - sulfur albums and old paper envelopes containing sulfur, tissue paper, mint bags, as well as other processes involving various chemicals. Is this toning artificial or natural? Does it depend on how long it took to tone, or what type of chemical was used? Don't you think this topic and its answers are quite subjective? Just as grading is, in my humble opinion.

    In any event, to me, it basically comes down to the "eye of the beholder." Just because these coins are in holders doesn't mean they are naturally toned, they were graded by humans who have their own eye for what they consider or have been taught is the difference between "natural" and "artificial" or "questionable color" as PCGS puts it.

    The bottom line to me is, whether anyone here or at NGC or PCGS or anywhere thinks these coins are naturally or artificially toned does not matter to me. I collect these coins based on their beauty in my eyes. And I feel that if I, as one who especially appreciates beautiful coins, thinks these coins have great eye appeal, simply put, I post them just because I enjoy sharing their beauty with others.

    One last thought, many of the toned coins in my personal collection are raw, that's how I bought them. Again, it doesn't matter to me whether NGC or PCGS will grade them, and maybe someday I'll send them in - or not. As I said above, it doesn't really matter to me what grade or holder they're in, I just enjoy looking at their beauty. And the only reason the ones I have posted are slabbed is because that's how I found them, and I chose to have photographs of my slabbed coins first. Eventually, I will have Todd photograph my raw ones too and will be able to share those as well.
  13. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Oh I am in LOVE n Gone to coin Paradise Kiss Kiss Penny Lady I realy can say no more than that :bow:
  14. The Penny Lady®

    The Penny Lady® Coin Dealer

    Well, with me or my coins????;)
  15. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    The coins silly :hug: Those last two are talking to me but I cant repeat it here LOL
  16. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    A few of us here at CT had the pleasure of seeing many of these coins in hand last weekend. WOW is all I can say.

    Charmy, please be sure to post the '72 DDO Lincoln you showed me in Long Beach, that will get the crowd rockin !! ;)

    You folks here should really consider Todd for your pics, he is an expert and VERY reasonable in my opinion. I cannot wait to get him another shipment of my " goodies" in my personal collection as well.
  17. The Penny Lady®

    The Penny Lady® Coin Dealer

    Bummer, now I'm jealous of my coins! :D
  18. The Penny Lady®

    The Penny Lady® Coin Dealer

    ok, here ya go!

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  19. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Very well said. Eye of the beholder rules - and I like your eye. :) One of the problems around here is getting good pictures of the toning. In my opinion some artifical toning sits on the coin - while these may be at or nt, the toning floats across the surface with the luster. This is what good pictures can do for showing beautiful toning.

    P.S. I am available for adoption. :)
  20. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Talking of eye's that Liberty is realy odd to look at makes my eye's feel blury LOL but I love the colour :D
  21. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Very beautiful coins indeed , strong strikes and beautiful color , I'm starting to like Indians more and more and Ive always liked them been eyeing a couple of yours for sale too , nice thanks for sharing .
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