Hephthalite countermark on Sasanian drachm

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by dougsmit, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I know there is one person here that might like this one but I'll post this here rather than as a PM. What I learned since this coin arrive this week was that the large scrape in the reverse edge is to be expected with these. Coins bearing this 'bird' countermark all have a test cut, scrape or gouge suggesting that the countermark certified that the coin had been tested for purity. Compared to some I have seen online and in books, this is not badly damaged. The ID of the countermark as a bird is a matter of faith to me (I don't see it but I think the head is compromised by the double circle of dots). I believe the host coin is Khusro II, Shiraz (Shirajan) mint, year 36 but would like confirmation or correction.

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very cool countermark, never seen it before. Still need to get a Sasanian as the two I had in the past were like smeared when struck.
     
  4. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I just bought one of these from Harlan Berk last month. I do not remember a test cut on it though, so I will pull it out and look at it. My bird Hepthalite countermark is at 2 o'clock, also on a Khusro II.
     
  5. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Actually your right Doug. I thought it was part of the damage from the o****ermark whcih is about 7 oclock on the reverse, but a mark like yours extends from 7 to 9 on the reverse. Never really noticed it before, its less pronounced than yours. Doesn't really look like a cut though.

    This was an interesting time for the Hepthalites. Their power was broken by Khusro I and the turks, and by this time most of their previous territory was controlled by the turks, save for an outpost in takharistan. I wonder how they know this countermark is Hepthalite versus turkish? I have mine identified as Hepthalite as well, but considering the timeframe now I wonder about it.
     
  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Most I saw were scoops like a gouge rather than a cut but there was one that entered the design rather than being on the edge. Everything about these is assumption. Turkish or Hepthalite, date, reason --- everything. Do you have the new Persian book?
     
  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Yes, I picked it up in Chicago, but haven't read through it yet. The coins look a little higher end than I get, like all gold for the Kushans.

    I still have to thank Ardatirion for recommending to me "From Persepolis to the Punjab". Best book I own on the history of this area.
     
  8. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I'm having trouble seeing teh bird as well :eek: Do you have a pic or link of another with the same counter mark?
     
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