HELP.... What Did It to the coin

Hello I am A Newby I try to ask intelligent Questions.
I look for Intelligent answers or Gusts Please provide them.
I have seen some members just playing around wasting Kilos bites ​

I am starting a New Thread

about​

some of my Error coins. I do have a​

Gallery. This coin lookd off centerd?​

My First Question​

Why is this coin like this? and how?



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Nice dime man. Looks like the result of collar clash, but I could be wrong. Have been before. Don't worry about asking dumb questions either, only question that is dumb is the one unasked.

Phoenix

 

That is a nice pic. I've seen that before on half dollars, but never to that extent. I've often wondered if I should be setting those aside.

 

Double die?

John

 

Not a DD.
Mike will be alone soon to answer, but, I think a weak broad strike .

 

Machine doubling? I'm still learning.

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=10451 This thread was my first, I was at that time only able to give a description and from the decription I was told that it sounded like a broad strike error. So I'll borrow this thread and ask is this also a broad strike error? Pic 1 and pic 2 are self explanatory, pic 3 I was trying to show how the edge angles may not be good enough.

Thanks, John

 

OP: I agree with Phoenix21, it looks like a collar clash to me. I Am Not An Expert.

johndo: From the pix, the coin looks thin, but it also appears to have reading on all the edge. My guess would be someone placed it between leather and pounded it thin. I Am Not An Expert.


This thread would have been better placed in the Error forum. Someone like Mike Diamond would be more likely to notice it there. I Am Not An Expert. Oh, I said that already.

 

Thats plausable.
Did you check the thread link that I posted? it gave all the dimentions via calipers.

John

 

No, I hadn't checked it. I've been racing a clock all day - and losing. I checked it now, though. "Mitred" is a tell, though. Do you mean like this helical gear? ( http://www.qtcgears.com/KHK/newgears/KHK128.html )

I can't see that happening at the mint. The reeds are put on by the third die (the collar) during the strike. Perhaps instead of pounding, it was done with a screw press - causing the twist.

Just to make sure, it does have reeds around the entire edge, correct? The reason I ask is a broadstrike is a strike where the collar does not encircle the planchet. A partial broadstrike has only part of the planchet inside the collar. Either way, the pressure of the strike squishes the planchet, and, without the collar to contain the planchet, some of the coin squishes into a larger diameter. If it has complete reeding it had to have been contained within the collar.

I still ain't no expert.

 

helical gear, I would say no. Reeds are all there

 

I have no idea, but an intense desire to waste kilobytes.

 

helical gear, I would say no. Reeds are all there. Here is the best I could do with my mouse to try to explain by miter. I know it's horrible

John

 

nice catch jeff! :thumb:

 

i agree with phoenix too.

 

Not having heard that term before "Collar Clash", I decided to google it. The most common definition I found was

"Occasionally, the die shifts slightly out of position and, instead of fully striking the planchet, it partially strikes the collar. As with a die clash, the design of the collar, whether smooth or reeded, is transferred to the die. This, in turn, is transferred to the coins struck by the die. Most often, only the reeded collar clashed coins are of collector interest, but again, only if there is significant design transfer."

Doing the thought experiment in my head, that seems to be a very good explanation for what we see in OP's coins.

Now, I'm guessing since I have never heard the term before and it doesn't appear in the Non-Error coin collecting books (such as the redbook) that there isn't much demand or value for this type of error.

Now that I have a term for it, I may start keeping the ones that I find. I still have one at home that I haven't tossed back into circulation yet. I think I may put it in a cardboard flip and label it. At a minimum, it would be an example of this type of error.

 

1988 dime

i read the posting about 1984 Dime , here is a 1888. It looks like the 1984 dime
So is this a real error done at the mint?

 

1988P Dime

I have a dime that looks like- HELP.... What Did It to the coin
So are they real error from the Mint?
There isdoubling in the date, In God We Trust and Liberty

 

I'm sure he is referring to the MDD.

 

To the OP: I had posted the same question on an 81P Rosie back in November and this is the answer I got:

"Your coin shows the result of a collar clash. At one time the obverse die was misallingned far enough the the edge of the die that forms the top surface of the rim clashed against the edge of the collar and picked up clashmarks showing the top edge of the reeding. Now that it is back closer to the proper place the clashmarks give it the appearance of a second set of reeds on the top edge of the rim. They are fairly common."

Just as Phoenix21 answered with a little bit more detail.

I hope this helps.