Help Please!! This Looks Like A Double Eyed Jefferson, With A S/p Mm??

Please Help Me!! I Have Only Been In The Coin Business For A Few Years And This Coin Has Me Very Confussed. It Looks Like A Double Eyed Jefferson To Me But It Has An S Mm But Under The Double Struck S Looks Like A P. Any Comments Would Be Very Helpful In My Journey To Find Out About This Coin. I Know There Is No Such Thing As A Double Eyed Jefferson In The S Mm As No One Knows Of??

 

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jamie7961,

You will need to post some better closeup pictures of the coin for someone here on the forum can possibly make a determination as to whether it is a Doubled Eye Variety and OMM Mintmark Variety! Also, the pink background is apparently casting a pink glow onto to the coin from the reflection off of the camera lense or whatever you used to take the pictures.

One thing to remember about Varieties is, just because they are not listed in any book or article, does not mean that they don't exist! Since many people collect or hoard coins, many coins with (known or unknown) Varieties, have been tucked away for many, many years and may have just recently been sold from an inheritance. There are also some Varieties that are just overlooked for one reason or another. I recently found a new Variety of a Doubled Die on a Proof Cent which was minted over 30 years ago. I won't devulge the date at this time since I am in the process of having it documented and entered in the record books but can tell you that Bill Fivaz has seen the coin and says that it is a Class VI Doubled Die.


Frank

 

huntsman,
how do you find a double die? I've come across few coins which I thought might be double dies but can't go any further than that as I can't be sure of it.

 

If you think you have found a double die than the first thing you need to do is get a 10X or higher loupe. This should allow you to view the coin with sufficient magnification to determine if a type of doulbling has occured. I also sugest learning how to take digital pictures of the coin area in question. By using magnification and a camera with a macro setting you can get really good digital picture which when transfered to the cpu can be enlarged to better show the error.

The next step is to determine the actual doubling type. If you look at my avitar you can see an example of Strike Doubling. Strike Doubling is also refered to as Machine doubling, and it is characterized by a flattened doubling image. Notice how the second image is flat compared to the actual lettering.

Another common doubling type is called Die Deterioration Doubling which gives the Letter or number a doubled appearance but this appearance is due to the shoulder of the die around the leter/number being damaged though use. This doubling results in an undefined or fuzzy doubling which is usually not uniform in nature.

A true Die Doubling shows two images. The first image is the normal image as usually observed on the coin the second image is characterized by the pressence of all or part of the immage which has been etched into the die. This results in a second ghost like image of that part of the coin which is slightly off set from the full image and has all the intended relief of that part. This means a doubled date would show rounded doubled numerals which were just as tall as the other numerals. These are the ones that are worth money.

If you believe you have one of these post a pic. Also check a coin book to see if it lists a known error for that coin. Search the internet for the year, mm, and error of you coin. This may yeild example pictures. Lastly have a dealer that you trust check it out.

If all else fails you could send it to ANACS with a discription of the error you think it has, however I would ask for further advise from other member at this site first.

There are other forms of doubling. I'm sory I can not find a good link for you to look under but I do know that they exist in fact one of the previous threads at thiss form discusses this topic very well. Just search for die doubling.

 

Thank You For Your Help!! I Have Put Some More Pictures On I Hope These Are Better. I Am New To This And Learning As I Go, I Was Afraid These May Have Been To Large But It Showed Them. If You Can't Tell Anything From These Maybe I Can Put Some Larger Pictures On.

 

shatsi,

You find doubled die coins by searching thousands and thousands of coins that hopefully have never been searched before! Before you waste a lot of time looking at coins over and over that you think may be doubled dies, purchase some good reference books on doubled dies and learn the characteristics of all of the forms of Doubled Die Doubling. The "CherryPicker's Guide to Rare Die Varieties" has a complete section dedicated to the Classes of Doubled Dies. The "Price Guide to Error Coins" (I think that is the name of the book) has some information as well but is not quite as good. I do not own one yet but the books by Wexler on Doubled Die Lincoln Cents may have some good information.

While some forms of Doubled Die doubling (as in famed 1955-P Lincoln Cent which is a Class I Doubled Die) is fairly easy to distinguish, other forms are extremely hard to tell. Class VI Doubled Dies are a good example of a hard one to tell as the doubling shows mainly as an extra thickness on some or all of the lettering and/or date with or without a hint of Split Serifs. The main thing is to learn quickly on being able to distinguish Machine Doubling (or Strike Doubling) from actual Doubled Die doubling.


Good luck...Frank

 

Thank you huntsman and Morgan. Great info.