Help Diagnose My 3CN

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by geekpryde, Sep 25, 2024.

  1. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    The image below is from my Thread here.

    I will quote myself.

    So for my coin here, I am trying to understand the error(s) this coin exhibits, and which if any, helped create the other issues.

    Any insight would be appreciated by you error collectors and minting process experts.

    We have what I consider to be two primary Die Cracks, likely lamination problem, and clashed dies.

    Is the lamination stickily a planchet issue? Or can a die crack lead to a lamination problem?

    The clashed dies I believe do not have anything to do with the die cracks, but correct me if I am wrong.

    Something is going on with the rim between the two larger die cracks, where its sort of flattened out. Is that related to these errors, or just PMD?

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    How would you diagnose the errors you see on this coin beyond just my simple analysis?


    Full Coin here click to make really Big:

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  3. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I think that you are on the right track. I used to own the Flynn book on 3CN varieties; the 1865 has a number of varieties. If you are into the 3CN series I recommend getting a copy of this book.
     
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  4. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

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  5. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    My thought is that there could be a relationship between the two, in that a die clash is caused by two dies of hardened steel banging together without a planchet in between, hard enough to transfer the design to the other die. That could cause the die to crack. If there are examples with the cracks but without the clash, then you'd know that the two are not related.
     
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  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    The correct die marriage for your specimen is the 05 as listed in the above reference. It is a rpd as well a mpd. and has a nice premium for the date.
    The clashing as well die cracks could of happen due to worn dies. All other pups are seen for the attribution.

    As far as a sticker lol you already have a $1000. Coin a sticker IMHO wouldn't be the reason I be laying down that sort of coin.....on that coin... it be the coin its self as well the variety. A dot of paper on a piece of plastic never has or will give me the satisfaction that my own two eyes tell me..... 100 % of the time.
    I don't need you to tell me what my knowledge already knows!
     
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  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    @geekpryde

    Over the last year I sold all but 2 of my 3 CN collection....of about 60+/- coins.
    I kept two one a mpd the other this one an rpd and really sweet die cracks around the date.
    I post this in comparison to your 65 specimen. As if you study both your 65 and my 67 and read the guide on the die marriage you'll see that clashes and cracks can and cannot be there on a particular die marriage. The 67 the date is known for rpd and other major varieties.

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  8. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Studying your link and my coin now, finally have the time.

    I thought this part was interesting:

    I am looking at each section trying to find all the markers:

    I'm not sure I am seeing the "Recut" breads in my coin, sometimes I see it sometimes I dont.

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    yes, I think so.

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    Yes, 100%.
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    I would say YES.

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    This is something, but it doesn't match the photos in the book for being the top of the "5"

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    I dont seem to match up exactly of B05 or B05a, but of more concern, I don't see ANY matches for that date remnant on my coin.

    :confused:
     
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  9. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Other markers I noticed on my coin:

    "UN" doubled in United.

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    Same with "RICA" in America.

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    Clashing here on Reverse:

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    And here more Clashing On Obverse:

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    I think since I can't find a match, I must have a new Die Pairing and its unique 1 of 1. :D


    Can someone help me nail this down? or perhaps is there a newer reference that may fill in some of the blanks?
     
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