help 1997 brokage,foldover triple strike,rotated die???

Would some one help id these error's,brokage,foldover,triple strike,rev die clash.note motto "TRUST"is not reversed,but spelled in correct order,and 2 more set's of trust,and rotated die.if this were a press spelling would be backwards right,i matched trust to main word Trust,serif's,loops match same die.Please zoom in on the loops and serif's and spelling order closely.thank you and god bless

 

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The offset rim from 10-4 o'clock looks like it was hammered into the coin. It appears that the letters "OD WE" were mashed when the rim of another coin pressed into it.

Chris

 

Here is a 1997 lincoln cent.I found a similar error with a graded brokage,fold over,triple strike.If this were a pressed coin wouldn't the word trust be backwards,there 3 set's of Trust along the rim's.the reverse is clashed what error would these be i'm sending it to be certified soon.please viewing very closely as "TRUST' is spelled correctly not reversed,or backwards thank you

 

would the word trust be backwards if it were hammered?

 

Any reason this is on the paper money forum?

 

Since the impressed rim is well inside of the motto, you might see a backward motto on the inside of that rim, not the actual rim. Of course, we can't be 100% positive which side was used for the "hammer job". However, is that the bottom loop of a backward "C" to the left of "IN"? If it is, then the reverse was used for the hammer job.

I suspect that someone was trying to alter the coin, wasn't happy with the outcome and got rid of it.

Chris

 

Maybe one of the mods would be kind enough to move it to the appropriate forum.

Chris

 

Sorry for the paper forum,thought i was on coin.Would the motto,trust on the planchet rotated be sunk in instead of raised die strike,i zoomed in 80X and say the Trust matched the main motto on/from same die strike

 

sorry for paper forum,thought it was coin.question wouldn't the word trust in the coller/rotated rim be sunk in and not raised,and i zoomed a 80 x and match die stamp serif's and loop's from r and s on main motto to rotated Trust that protrude's found example of a brokage fold over,same coin per david lawrence

 

nice find / buy

 

yup,i want to send this 1997 error of to be graded and certified for error's,i need input to the word trust sticking out on planchet there another set before it,it's not sunk in image,raised lettering

 

I still think you're making a mistake and would be wasting your money submitting it to a grading service.

Your coin isn't even remotely similar to the DLRC coin. A flip-over, like the DLRC coin, is when a planchet has been struck in the coining chamber, flips over and is struck again. Note that all of the lettering on the second strike of the DLRC coin is reading forward, not backward.

Zooming in to 80x isn't going to help you determine if the mark is raised or recessed. I have examined thousands of Morgan dollars under high magnification, and unless you already know whether it is raised or recessed, you just can't tell. If you doubt me, take a look at one of the letters in LIBERTY on a Morgan dollar under 80x.

Chris

 

There appears to be a incuse E CE in the top of Lincolns head which would seem to indicate the reverse of another coin was pressed into this one. While there does apear to be faint traces of a forward reading TRUST in the impressed rim just to the right of the TRUST on the coin, this could be the result of the coin being pressed into this one having picked up an impression on the rim from having been pressed into a previous coin.

 

hope you found it roll searching rather than shelling out $ for it.

 

Looks damaged to my eyes...

 

Would a pressed coin have the word/word's lettering raised??? how would or could it happan or be done???thank you for your help.Roy

 

would this help with raised lettering?haveing the lettering raised"trust"what does that tell me?thank you so much for your help.

 

This is definitely a man made squeeze job. the coin that was used to make this coin had been pressed into other coins at least twice before this one. the rim of the other coin is what got pressed into this one in the area of the extra word trust.

what happened was that the rim of the other coin got squeezed down into the word trust on a coin. this left a backwards sunken in impression of the word trust on the rim then when the rim got pressed into this coin it acted as part of a coin die and left a partial raised extra word. when a coin is squeezed or hammered into another coin this leaves a sunken in impression then when it is squeezed again into another coin the details is raised and the same as on a normal coin.

watch out for this type fake as they can easily be done really good by some folks.

 

First of all, I agree with the the hammer job theory. You can see the mirror image of CE from CENT in the hair, and horizontal lines pressed in the obverse. Also, you can see the spider cracks in the plating on the reverse.

As for the raised letters of TRUST, they appear to be in the "groove" left by the rim of the damaging coin. Could this have happened by taking the damaging coin, and pressing the rim into TRUST of another coin. That would create a mirrored, incuse image of TRUST, on the rim of the damaging coin. The rim of the damaging coin would be similar to a die then. The damaging coin was then pressed into the coin shown above, creating a, correctly oriented, raised image of TRUST in the groove. It just so happened that the die like damage on the damaging coin, was created on the reverse. That would explain the mirrored, incuse CE on the head, the raised TRUST, the groove, the cracks in the reverse plating, and the obverse rim damage of the above shown image.

Does this sound like a possibility, or would the images not transfer well enough?

 

I was typing while you were rascal.