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  1. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    As far as I'm aware, 1982 cents should be 2.5 grams. Opinions? Snap_021.jpg Snap_023.jpg IMG_20200205_132021.jpg
     
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  3. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    no

    in 1982 you have copper cents, and zincoln cents
    3.11 and 2.5

    you have a large date philadelphia, copper cent with a lot of environmental damage on it.
     
  4. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    The 7 Business Strike Varieties (8 total with the 1 rare one):


    LARGE DATE Philadelphia
    • 1982 Large Date Copper
    • 1982 Large Date Copper plated Zinc

    SMALL DATE Philadelphia
    • 1982 Small Date Copper
    • 1982 Small Date Copper plated Zinc

    LARGE DATE “D” - Denver
    • 1982 D Large Date Copper
    • 1982 D Large Date Copper plated Zinc

    SMALL DATE “D” - Denver
    • 1982 D Small Date Copper plated Zinc
    • 1982-D small date copper (1 or 2 known to exist). This is the one rare cent where all the fake youtube videos make one think they are easily found in pocket change.

    There is also a 1982-S Large Date which is not included because it is a PROOF.
     
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  5. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Does this only refer to D mint?...
    Both the copper 1982-D Small Date cent and the copper 1983-D Lincoln cent sold at Stack’s Bowers Galleries “Rarities Night” auction at the American Numismatic Association World’s Fair of Money Aug. 3.

    Neither coin should exist in copper alloy, but collectors looking for coin finds discovered both. Then they cashed in by consigning them for auction.
     
  6. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    read the post above yours. each and every line. Near the end is your answer in regards to Denver.

    I believe I posted that before to one of your threads.
     
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  7. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Yes so only small date 82 D should not exist in copper/bronze.
     
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  8. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Yes small date 1982 D
    That is why so many people post 1982 D cents all the time .. large date all the time.

    That is why it is important to know the difference between large and small date,
    and also have a scale that at least goes to 2 decimals.
    Cheap scales round up or down and Food scales aren't even very accurate.
     
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  9. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    In fact, if I'm not mistaken, most 1982 cents were struck in copper -- the switch to zinc came fairly late in the year. There's no premium for zinc 1982 cents, though, because who wants Zincolns?
     
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  10. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Thanks for info CC
     
  11. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    January 7, 1982

    The West Point mint starting minting zincolns with no mint mark ... which are thus denoted as Philadelphia
    https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/646/

    excerpt
    Coining of the zinc cents actually commenced on January 7, 1982 at the West Point Mint. (Little remembered today is that this facility produced nearly a billion cents from 1974 to 1985. As these bear no mintmarks, they are indistinguishable from those made at Philadelphia.) Soon thereafter, Philadelphia undertook this coinage, too. Denver continued to produce solely brass cents until October 21, 1982. That was conversion day. After coining brass cents in the morning, an hour's suspension was affected during which time all the remaining brass cents and planchets were cleared away, and the striking of zinc cents began. The first delivery of these from the Coining Division was made on the 27th. The San Francisco Mint struck nearly four million proof cents for collectors, but these were all of the traditional composition. It was found that the underlying zinc broke through its thin copper plating under the repeated impressions given to proof coins. This problem was solved in 1983 and subsequent years by furnishing each proof planchet with a second copper plating. Oddly enough, San Francisco did mint 1,587,245 zinc cents for general circulation in 1982. Like those made at West Point, however, these bear no mintmarks.

    The coin hobby enjoyed a real windfall when the U.S. Mint decided to make a major revision to the cent's obverse master hub midway through 1982. The new hub is most easily recognized by its much smaller date, and these Small Date cents were first struck September 3. Ultimately, a total of seven different combinations of date size, mint and composition were created for the circulating cent coinage in 1982, only a 1982-D Small Date Brass cent being omitted. When one adds the 1982-S Large Date Brass proof cent to this mix, the result is a most memorable year for collectors.



    although .. I think some of the dates are messed up ??
     
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  12. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    My heads spinning.
     
  13. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    if reading something becomes overwhelming ... then convert it to bullet points.
     
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  14. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    bullet points

    • Coining of the zinc cents actually commenced on January 7, 1982 at the West Point Mint.
    • (west point) this facility produced nearly a billion cents from 1974 to 1985.
    • As these bear no mintmarks, they are indistinguishable from those made at Philadelphia.)
    • Soon thereafter, Philadelphia undertook this coinage, too.
    • Denver continued to produce solely (large date) brass cents until October 21, 1982. That was conversion day.
    • (Denver) After coining brass cents in the morning, an hour's suspension was affected during which time all the remaining brass cents and planchets were cleared away, and the striking of zinc cents began.
    • (Denver) The first delivery of these from the Coining Division was made on the 27th.
    • The San Francisco Mint struck nearly four million proof cents for collectors, but these were all of the traditional composition. It was found that the underlying zinc broke through its thin copper plating under the repeated impressions given to proof coins.
    • (zinc plating breaking on Proofs) This problem was solved in 1983 and subsequent years by furnishing each proof planchet with a second copper plating.
    • Oddly enough, San Francisco did mint 1,587,245 zinc cents for general circulation in 1982. Like those made at West Point, however, these bear no mintmarks.

    • The coin hobby enjoyed a real windfall when the U.S. Mint decided to make a major revision to the cent's obverse master hub midway through 1982.
    • The new hub is most easily recognized by its much smaller date, and these Small Date cents were first struck September 3.
    • Ultimately, a total of seven different combinations of date size, mint and composition were created for the circulating cent coinage in 1982,
    • only a 1982-D Small Date Brass cent being omitted. When one adds the 1982-S Large Date Brass proof cent to this mix, the result is a most memorable year for collectors.
     
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  15. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Is this the morning the small date copper D's were minted?...
    (Denver) After coining brass cents in the morning, an hour's suspension was affected during which time all the remaining brass cents and planchets were cleared away, and the striking of zinc cents began.
     
  16. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    edit: well, they had to use the NEW HUB too for the small date. And the new dies based on the new hub was Sept 3rd.

    Guess they missed a few of those brass planchets.
     
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  17. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    Are there any examples of these?...
    The San Francisco Mint struck nearly four million proof cents for collectors, but these were all of the traditional composition. It was found that the underlying zinc broke through its thin copper plating under the repeated impressions given to proof coins.
     
  18. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I don't know.
    but during the compositional analysis they also came to this conclusion before they started with the zincolns.
     
  19. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    ...and obviously there should be no copper cents struck in 83 or thereafter.
     
  20. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering

    I would imagine they were not released.
     
  21. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    during compositional analysis for alternative metals which they do for all denominations, they make "nonsense pieces", which are destroyed.

    Here is an example:
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