Has this raw Morgan dimple definitely been cleaned?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by DMPL_dingo, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. DMPL_dingo

    DMPL_dingo Well-Known Member

    The obverse shows possible signs of having been lightly cleaned at the highpoints/her cheek and forehead. Under normal lighting, it looks like nothing more than bag marks. At an angle/under diffused light, looks like it could have been lightly cleaned.

    Still within the return window, so I'd like some input input from the community before I definitely return the coin.

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  3. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    Doesn't look cleaned to me, plus it doesn't look like a DMPL.
     
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  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    ditto
     
  5. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Looks PL at best. Is that gouge in the sheek the result of PMD, or a strike through? It does not appear to have displaced metal.
     
  6. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Where do you see a wipe? Above the cap? What does the reverse look like?

    Edit- oops i must have been just drunk enough to not comprehend last night.
    The only possible issue i see is a few letters have halo effect, which is usually a clue
     
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  7. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Obverse doesn't particularly look like it's been cleaned.
     
  8. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Not a DMPL, and has a prominent scratch on the cheek, which makes it a details coin. Get rid of it. It is a "seller's raw DMPL," which means a bright, dipped Morgan. This one has obvious damage.
     
  9. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

    Definite friction on the face. I'd send it back.
     
  10. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    I cannot spot the cleaning, but pictures can be deceptive. Good luck either way.
     
  11. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    I couldn't "definitely" much from a photo.
     
  12. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Not cleaned......not proof like. Nice coin, though. :)
     
  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Green where ya been?
    Good to see ya back.
     
  14. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    The scratch on the cheek is enough to send this one back IMHO.
     
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  15. DMPL_dingo

    DMPL_dingo Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for the input, as always! CT is an awesome resource :)

    The coin's indeed dimple given the measurements I'm getting from the obverse mirrors. Still sending back as too many potential problems. Thanks again
     
  16. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    It isn't a DMPL because it meets YOUR measurements. You do not get the idea that it isn't only reflectivity that makes for a PL or DMPL coin. Cameo is a major factor with the new standards. You saying that it is DMPL or PL is meaningless-- the only voice that counts in that definition is the TPG. As I see it, the coin might have trouble making PL, given today's stricter standards. It would not grade, due to damage on the face.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Totally off the subject of the thread, but your coin and its pictures are a perfect example of something I tried to explain in another thread not long ago. That being how marks on a given coin can look "black" in one picture, and yet "silver" in another picture - of the very same coin.

    Unless of course someone else want's to try and tell me that the "black marks" in your pictures are impurities in the planchet :rolleyes:
     
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