Guess the grade #25

1919-S NGC slabbed (white spots are on the slab)

This round should give some interesting results.

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Ms64. Tc

 

I'm with TC. MS 64.....

 

I'm probably wrong, but I can't be as optimistic as the others so far in the grading of this one. .... oh well... I think I have another throw away coming up soon.

 

Ms64

 

I'll go to the top of the ladder...65

 

I have no idea how you are seeing that, but, yes, there is something there. I really doubt it is altered surfaces. From what I can make out, the horizontal part of the rim is tapered in a bit, but the inside curve to the field appears to be raised. To me that says it is likely a die problem or possibly a planchet flaw. FWIW, this is the third TPG this has been to and none mentioned altered surfaces.

 

64rb

 

that is why we appointed himt o the royal court but he started doing tricks instead so we locked him up

 

I really want to say it's a 63 however I think it's graded a 64.

 

Would be interesting to know what the other two tpg's had this graded as before it landed in it's current slab..... I could see AU58 and up.... my gut tells me that most of the folks are near this one around 64, or maybe even 65...... but I'm a believer in strike as a requisite of 65, and even 64... that is "full strike",,, where I think this one exibits obvious lack of strike on portions of the design..... so I'm in the 63 bucket on this one... low I'm sure, but an interesting topic for further conversation within the thread upon completion of grade inputs.
Q. - at what level of the MS range does full strike become an absolute requisite.... I remember seeing in pcgs grading guidelines that it comes in around 64 or 65'ish..... but have seen incomplete strikes in those ranges in pcgs holders before...... kinda makes ya wonder what they really use, huh ?.... I think some days a magic 8 ball,,, give er' a shake and viola, congratulations contestant #145,798.. M8B says MS65 ; )

 

Your memory is off a bit. PCGS doesn't require full strike until MS-67!

 

Your memory is off a bit. PCGS doesn't require full strike until MS-67!

Sorry for the double post but it is telling me I am not posting even though they are apparently going through.

 

I guess it's how you read it...
Here's what I have from the pcgs site:
Note that 64 and above are noted as having good or above average strike.... I dont' think this one has an good or above average strike as some detail is missing....
I'd call the strike not full,, or close to average.. which should translate to a 63 per pcgs grading guidelines below.....


MS/PR-60
No wear. May have many heavy marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
MS/PR-61
No wear. Multiple heavy marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
MS/PR-62
No wear. Slightly less marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
MS/PR-62+
No wear. Still slightly above number of marks/hairlines, strike may not be full. Attractive eye appeal for grade.
MS/PR-63
Moderate number/size marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
MS/PR-63+
Average number of marks/hairlines, strike will be close to average. Good eye appeal for grade.
MS/PR-64
Few marks/hairlines or a couple of severe ones, strike should be average or above
MS/PR-64+
Very few marks/hairlines or a couple of heavier ones, strike should be average or above. Superior eye appeal.
MS/PR-65
Minor marks/hairlines though none in focal areas, above average strike
MS/PR-65+
Very minor marks/hairlines though none in focal areas, above average strike and eye appeal
MS/PR-66
Few minor marks/hairlines not in focal areas, good strike
MS/PR-66+
Very few minor marks/hairlines not in focal areas, very good strike with superior eye appeal
MS/PR-67
Virtually as struck with minor imperfections, very well struck
MS/PR-67+
Virtually as struck with very minor imperfections, very well struck with attractive eye appeal
MS/PR-68
Virtually as struck with slight imperfections, slightest weakness of strike allowed
MS/PR-68+
Virtually as struck with very slight imperfections, the strike must be virtually full. Eye appeal must be very good.
MS/PR-69
Virtually as struck with minuscule imperfections, near full strike necessary
MS/PR-70
As struck, with full strike

 

By you definitions, it is only required for MS-70.

I cannot find it now, but I have posted a 1935-S MS-65 RD. It has nearly no wheat lines, no beard, etc. Considerably weaker strike that this ever dreamt of being and yet it is a 65.

 

Guess it's how pcgs interprets thier strike descriptors vs. how we (or I) intrepret them:
1 - "not full" MS60 to MS63.... I'd call this coin not full...ie.- coins with obvious flat area's.... thereby limiting my grade to max 63.
2 - "average" MS63 to MS64.... I'd assume an average strike had near full detail, with some low points here and there, but no significant flat areas.
3 - "above average" MS64 to MS65... I'd see this as full detail... no flat areas at all, but maybe low points in the visibile detail... almost not notable to the naked eye.
4 - "good strike to very good strike" MS66... full detail period. nothing visible to the naked eye... maybe a few low points notable under 5-10x
5 - "very well struck to full strike" MS67 to MS70.... I can't really tell the difference between strikes in this range....... between the perfect strike to the naked eye and eye appeal,, the coin should make you say "wow"

I've seen exceptions to my intreptation of these pcgs descriptions myself... I have a MS65 33 with some slight flatness on the same part of the reverse,, not nearly as bad, but visible to the naked eye. Also have a 25D that's nearly as flat as a pancake in MS63... details on it wouldn't get past a VG10.....

PCGS should describe thier descriptors... lol....

 

I don't care how you interpret it, 69 does not require a full strike. "near full" is not full. Period.

BTW, for a branch mint during the teens, this is not a bad strike.