GTG pair of 38D Buffalo's

The Denver Coin Expo ended today. I did more trading than buying, It was a new aspect for me, I came home with more coins than I started with, and was able to add a few pieces to my collection. As most of you know I have a soft spot for these, especially when they have a Golden Tone.
Get to guessing.

Both the coins are RPM's the first is slightly definable from the photos but being a late die stage A, but might be difficult.
The grade is the only thing that matters, but just in case there needs to be a tie breaker, guess the RPM.

 

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1st one 65
2nd one 66

As far as 38 D RPMs.... I think about 70% of them are repunched, so I can't keep an interest. Nor can I keep them organized in my head.

 

No doubt.
I think the variety is what has me hooked.

 

66 both.

 

1. MS-65
2. MS-66

 

Im at 66 for each as for the variety mm placement on 38 D's is for the most part a dead give a way...not always but a good bit.

And once again you's guys....just keep it up on the gold toners!!!!
Jtlee and you.....better stop making me believe all gold buffalos are west of the Mississippi!

#1omm 005

#2 omm 003 south

 

Without looking at the other posts I was also 65,66.

 

I'm thinking we should have a thread titled "The 38 D's thread" at least that title would have quite a few newbies checking it out!....unless they are leg men...in that case we can change it to 37'D's

 

I am game on any thread titled 38D.
I looked at a few potential FS Jefferson's. and bought a few.
I think

 

I'm right with the rest on the 65 and 66 guesses. You did say RPM and not OMM right?

1. 65 RPM-004
2. 66 not sure of the RPM.

 

LOL. Actually it seems that a lot of what I buy comes from the east coast and makes a new home here on the west coast.

 

@jtlee I did say RPM, one of the coins was a toss up, after a few beers. I am not a pro at this yet, I will post a couple of close ups for those who need a better shot of the placement, and details.
Coin 1
coin 2

 

2nd one looks like a no doubter RPM.
I am unsure on the 1st one. Does it match with known RPM in that position?

 

In my first post I said because of the die state that this one would be hard to verify, Because of it's die stage. It closely matches the position of both an RPM/ WRPM, and an OMM. I might even be wrong with my initial statement of RPM.

 

So if I read the 2nd post correctly, my 2 1938-D's which are not RPM, are rarer?

 

That's funny. But not quite.
@C-B-D Your thoughts?

 

It seems like everyone is a RPM or OMM, but they aren't. I've looked at a lot of 1938-D's and a large majority of them are just normal D's without being a variety.

 

I agree
(as does he who is not to be mentioned ).

 

3 times. Just say it 3 times....... 3x's.

 

Better hold onto them!
Between the lines, you should read, "the majority of these 38-D RPMs do not and should not carry a premium."

The general rule for varieties is that the more dramatic they are, the more popular they are, therefore the more valuable they are. There are exceptions, like the FS-104 1972 DDO Lincoln, which isn't nearly as dramatically doubled as the 1972/1972 DDO, because after awhile everyone realized those were were 50 times (or whatever) more common than the FS-104s.