GTG: Guess the Grade! US Trade Dollar

Here is one that will be quite interesting.




What ya think?

 

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Lots of die scratches! I am going to gues that is strike weakness rather than wear. MS62

 

AU cleaned. I'm not looking at the scratches. Just the look of the coin.

 

My guess: MS details.

I think I've seen that coin before... do you own it or is it on a dealer's site?

 

Au 55. Wicked die polish lines. Not appealing in my opinion. Has also been dipped and started to retone. Think this one was at ha

 

Man, those are some terrible die polish lines and unacceptable to me and my collection if thats how it looks and is called Market Acceptable.

I can understand their saying that, but that looks cleaned to me, even if it hasnt been.

The grade is AU-55 PL and is currently on ebay. I will post pictures of the slab a little later.

 

Was mint made. So market acceptable. Is it pretty not at all. Looks like they took coarse sandpaper to the die before striking this one. If it were a proof would be Pf 60. As to cleaning yes this ones been dipped at least once. Is very hard to find an original surfaces trade. An original au 55 trade would not be nearly this white.

 

What gets me is the die polish pattern. It's so criss-crossed and going every which a way.

On a coin like this, how is it determined to be polish line and not abrasive cleaning lines

 

Lines are only in the fields, but do not cross the details. I think the die polish lines can be seen so clearly due to the PL surfaces.

 

I can clean a coin the exact same way if I choose. So while that is good advice and often repeated I just don't see how it's relevant.

Now the reverse is true. If there are hairlines going across the devices then it had to have been cleaned. But I don't think that logic is solid the other way by saying because they don't cross the devices that it must be die polish. I can stop my cleaning lines anywhere I decide not to cross a device.

 

I think it's a rule of thumb and the color/luster of a coin need to be considered as well to make a call.

 

You would have great difficulty trying to make a line on the field that ends exactly as the devise rises let alone cleaning the coin to make every line do the same. Even when abrasively cleaning the coin, it is next to impossible to get your "lines" into those recesses on the coin.

 

I literally just did it with a nickel. I used a knife.

 

I wonder what Doug's opinion is since he frequently says that die polish goes one direction.

 

What about the abrasions on her arm?

 

OK! I will play semantics with you. Those are not die polish lines. They are die scratches done with a brush trying to remove something from the die. Die polishing occurs on a polishing wheel. In most people's vernacular (Doug being a major exception), both are referred to as "die polish lines".

BTW, just how did you "abrasively clean" any coin with a knife? The lines people refer to as cleaning line come from whizzing - i.e. a buffing wheel. It cannot get into the crevices.

 

Die polish is perfectly market acceptable because it is a mint made effect. The same is true for die adjustment marks, for the same reason. They might not be the most attractive (on some coins), but there is nothing wrong with them. They affect the eye appeal, and sometimes affect the value, but should not affect the grade.

 

AU cleaned