GTG - 1924 Standing Liberty

Just acquired from eBay. While this thread is presented as a Guess The Grade, I actually do not know the grade.

So, here are three things to guess about.

1. Has the coin been cleaned, and if so, is it market acceptable or harshly cleaned?
2. Is it full head or not?
   
3. What would you grade it?

I see a number of 1924 SLQ's posted on Heritage that have less detail on the rivets, a sash that is not well defined, and a leg that is not this well rounded. If you don't feel this coin merits a high grade, what holds it back?

Or, you can just look at the pictures and leave it at that! Either way, have fun!

 

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Can you help me see the cleaning you mention? What gives it away? Trying to learn to spot things like that. Thanks.

Assuming all the reverse marks are on the plastic I was going to guess ms 65-66.

 

I don't see any evidence of cleaning, and I certainly don't see any evidence of harsh cleaning. The color leads me to believe there is an attractive patina on the coin.

I see a coin with nice luster, but quite a few marks, especially on the reverse.

Can you take a picture of the obverse with different lighting? I'm trying to decide if that is a trace of rub on her thigh, right above her knee. If it is rub, obviously it is an AU coin.

However, I think this coin looks more like a really nice MS-63 or 64.

Full head is ridiculously difficult to determine from photographs (and honestly, its hard to tell in-hand as well). Judging by the rivets on the shield, you coin clearly has a good strike. However, what I see in the photographs is not technically a full head.

See this page for more detail: https://www.pcgs.com/news/Tips-From-The-Grading-Room Part 1

 

I saw them as well so I'm thinking a light cleaning and it looks as if certain areas are starting to tone or retone.

 

First, the GIFs are a real help in studying the coin. I see what ToughCoins is talking about, an oval area on the rev between star 2 and the wing that does not cartwheel. On the obv I don't see any luster on the leading leg in the GIF, leading me to think it is high AU. I don't know about all the FH criteria, but isn't there supposed to be an ear hole? JMHO.

 

I will try for different lighting. This was taken at a slightly different tilt and with the lights at the 10 and 2 positions. It is also brighter.

Yes, the plastic does have some marks on the back. You can safely assume they are on the plastic, but I can provide a closeup of any you want to see better.

 

Also, more head details.

 

I think that this coin was cleaned at some point (weird toning coming in) Not sure of FH or not...MS-64.

 

Also, if the reverse area in question is at the 9:00 position, here’s a closer look.


I think there’s a slight dome in the field here and the original lighting didn’t catch much luster. This detail shows the surface texture better.

 

I see it! Thanks. I also now see what looks like rub marks above the knee on the forward leg. Thanks for the replies. Great educational thread.

 

Ok, these new pictures confirm in my mind:

- this coin has absolutely not been harshly cleaned. You may see some die polish lines, but not hairlines from cleaning.

- I thought that I might have seen some wear, but I don't see any at all in the follow-up pics. No question UNC in my mind.

- Zero chance of full head. Way too mushy in the key details. To me, that's a shame because the rest of the coin seems quite well struck.

 

Yes, there have been many discussions here on CoinTalk about whether the current designations are the right ones.

Would “full rivets” be better than full head? Should Jefferson Nickels be applauded for full steps when the rest of the strike is terrible?

This coin shows my opinion: to see as much of the designer’s intentions as possible.

 

Since everyone else is giving it a hard time-
Is that dip residue in the right obverse field?
63

 

I'll keep this open for a day longer before the big reveal. I mean, there is a grade on the holder, of course, but I don't know if I agree with it - or if I feel I know an appropriate grade, either. But I am learning a lot by showing it and getting your comments.

And don't worry too much if you are giving it a hard time. It is what it is, and I'm going to enjoy having it regardless.

 

If this were my coin I probably wouldn’t have been able to resist dipping it again to try and get the last of that faint orange stuff off before submitting, but I can see why they left it alone considering how nice the luster looks. Lovely coin.

 

Just to shake loose any late opinions, the seller used this TrueView. Do you see anything we haven’t discussed? If nothing else, it’s a chance to see it without the holder.