GTG 1885 O Morgan

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  1. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    1885 O Morgan GTG Vam 9 DSCN7409.JPG DSCN7408.JPG
     
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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    MS 64+ Reverse is perfect. Some nicks on the obverse under the toning, otherwise it would be much higher. Also weak strike, typical of the date.
     
  4. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Strike: 62
    Luster: 65
    Eye Appeal: 62+
    Contact marks: 63/64+

    Wow, that strike is pretty bad! Luster appears frosty, which is good. The contact marks on the reverse are small and not in focal areas, but there are a lot of pretty big hits on the obverse. I think most people can agree on most of that.

    Where I'll get a huge amount of disagreement is on the eye appeal of this piece. On the one hand, it has a really nice rainbow with an attractive color progression. On the other hand (pun intended), there is a giant palm print across the entire front of the coin. Ugh. For me, a giant print like that kills the eye appeal. I know a lot of people don't care (and some even like them), but it is not a look that I would buy. If you like it, then congrats on your coin. The reverse eye appeal is neutral.

    To wrap all that up into one grade: I'd call it a 63, and wouldn't buy it myself. I would not be at all surprised if this was in a 64 holder, however.
     
  5. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    MS64. The reverse is MS65 quality but the obverse will usually determine the grade on Morgans and this obverse has a banged up cheek and a huge fingerprint.
     
  6. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Oh yea? I got you guys all beat-
    Its a 64+*# pizza emoji
     
  7. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

    I admittedly am awful (but working on improving) at coins exactly like this where you need to know if it's a weak strike or wear in a few areas. I personally would guess this to be an AU58 but if it's consensus that it's UNC would be curious to know how you all determine it to be a simply a strike issue and not wear anywhere?
     
  8. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    It is an MS coin, with a classic New Orleans weak strike.
     
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  9. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

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    Here are the 1st two places i always check for strike quality. When trying to discern wear/weak strike, the talons and wreath leaves are as good of place to start as any . (Outlined above) Obviously the hair and cotton bolls will get a once over as well...Also, AU coins can show a grey appearance in the fields.
     
  10. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    MS64 and that die crack over T A T looks like a slightly later die state than the VAMworld plate coins. Nice, I like it!
     
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  11. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I believe you aren't too far off...;)
    (note: I'm fairly certain I saw this coin listed for sale, so I won't GTG).
     
  12. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Just confirmed that I did see this before and considered purchasing.
    @Paddy54 did you pull the trigger on this one?
    I ultimately passed due to the breaks in the toning. How noticeable are those in hand?
     
  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I did purchase it today at a local show..... see your PM :)
     
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  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Finger print on the obverse, or too much scotch?
     
  15. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Ok, @physics-fan3.14 has started a good trend. I give credit to @Lehigh96 for the original suggestion of the multi-part grading. I will try to do this as well.

    Strike: 61+ (It's pretty weak even for an O mint) Doesn't mean I don't like it though.
    Luster: 65
    Eye Appeal: 65
    Surface Condition: 63 obverse 65 reverse Net to 64

    Overall grade: 63+★
     
  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    20170604_064455.jpg 20170604_064413.jpg :rolleyes: She's much better in hand than what's captured by the camera . Is she my favorite Morgan ... no but never had a coin with both the plus + & star * couldn't pass up the chance to own one, at a price that was below value.
     
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  17. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Got the grade, but missed the star. Really nice coin. The toning must look nicer in hand. NGC * coins have always been some of my favorite Morgans, and the +* ones are always distinctive.
     
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  18. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I under graded her by a point. But I did get the +★ :)
     
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  19. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    A pop of 7 too !! Nice catch master baiter, i mean master fisherman !!
     
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  20. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Thank you one eye Timmy:jimlad: coming from you others just don't understand how much that means! :)
     
  21. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    :jimlad:
    Therr be pieces of 8 in that dead mans chest
    Yo hoho and a bottle of rum
     
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