GTG 1819 Bust Half Dollar

GTG on my newest purchase. All opinions welcome and appreciated! Normally I'd also ask to guess the grading service, but it's a bit too easy from this photo.
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F-15
Did you by chance see the 1819/8 I just posted

 

Now I have! This one is also an 1819/8 (I'm not sure if it's visible in the photo, but it's noted on the holder).

 

I see the 9 is an repunched digit, your 8 isn't inverted different die marriage.
Sweet coin I'm liking it nice pick up.

 

Something besides a Morgan for a GTG! Amazing!

I haven't figured out yet how to adapt the SLEC scale to the circulated coins. Strike is less important, and obviously luster is completely absent on the lower grades. Anyone have any suggestions on the key points here? Strike, especially for these early coins, can depend on the variety and I don't really know every striking detail for every die pairing. What do you think, @Lehigh96 ... I know you generally tend towards the more modern, and the higher grade, but maybe you have some input?

Keep in mind that for the grade, wear is absolutely, by far, the most important factor in grading circulated coins. The other factors play a lot more into the value of the coin.

So.....

Surfaces: There are some hairlines here, but they are consistent with circulation. Becuase of the angle of the lighting, I really wouldnt' be surprised if some people start crying "hairlines!", but the coin has not been polished. It has been dipped/or washed, however.

Wear: There is a lot of detail missing here. I'd say this corresponds to a strong F. There is not enough detail for a VF, in my opinion.

Eye Appeal: The cleaning detracts from the eye appeal. It was a long time ago, I think, so the coin appears to have retoned a bit. The eye appeal is still kind of weak.

Color: Pale grey, with brownish highlights. Not great.

All of this combines, in my opinion, to a strong Fine grade. F-15 isn't given out often, but this coin is stronger than a 12. It really isn't quite a VF coin, though.

 

The holder says O-102 on mine.
And I can see that yours looks different. I believe your example is a little more obvious.

 

15

 

1819/8 F12

 

I agree that the Slec doesn't really fit into circulated grades below a high XF-AU.
But SEC or SED is

Surfaces- slighty rubbed with some baking soda at one point.(only seen in this photo on the face, the bust is questionable.) F-12

Eye appeal- Id expect a coin that has been untouched to be much darker. Or, show some hiding tones in the periphery's. G-10

Damage- it really doesn't seem that it took much abuse, Though, it may have been a victim of an un worthy owner, it still has even surfaces. F-12

Eye appeal and cleaning?
It's a VG-10, unless they gave it a bump for the variety.
By the way it's a large 9

 

I think the SLEC method falls apart in the circulated grades. For XF and below, luster is taken completely out of the equation. In the lower grades, strike is basically a non factor, and for the most part, circulated coins don't tone.

Now I'm sure we could find some examples of circulated coinage where market grading was necessary, the large majority of coins will be accurately graded simply by evaluating the amount of wear on the coin.

As for the grade of the coin, I have no idea. I think I'm the only collector of US coinage who just never got into CBHs.

 

I don't disagree with what has been said. I'd start at VF20 and work it back a bit for the issues mentioned..... ending up in the F15 range.

 

This is an interesting one. I see some remnants of luster peaking out from protected areas of the stars on the obverse and a little around some of the devices on the reverse. This leads me to believe that all of what looks like wear is not necessarily wear but a combination of weak strike and wear. I'm thinking that the wear on this is in the VF range.

The surfaces are far from original, they were certainly cleaned up, not exactly a details kind of cleaning though. Just enough to remove surface debris and to brighten the coin up. So eye appeal is pretty low on this one.

The combination of weak strike with the fairly heavy wear make it look more worn than it truly is. Eye appeal after the brightening hurts it causing a net grade. I'd say it was probably net graded by ANACS as a F-15 with a possible technical grade of VF-20.

 

Mine is raw I also have an 1818/7 & I had a 1824/24 with double profile that I now regret selling .

 

Big reveal later tonight. I'd say many of the grades posted are basically correct, but there is a small twist on the holder (which some have hinted at already).

 

Anacs called this one a problem coin at VF Details and net graded this coin as Fine-12.

I agree with many that it was likely an old cleaning. Also the scratches aren't too noticeable (I have seen coins with worse scratches straight grade).

 

I'm don't follow Overton either, so I can't speak towards the variety. This is another coin that I plan to add to my Type Set album.

As for the SLEC scale, it is just a more in depth way of grading by breaking it down into strike, luster, eye appeal, and surface condition/contact marks. @physics-fan3.14 and @Lehigh96 can better explain it.

 

I think the cleaning is fairly obvious. Where are the scratches? Are they calling the hairlines "scratches"?

Ooh, too bad you don't like CBH's. They're so much fun!

I realize that, for circulated coins, the amount of wear is nearly universally the driving factor in the grade (some other things play into it, especially in higher grades, but wear is still the by-far dominant factor). However, many other things play into the *value* of a circulated coin. An F-12 coin can have a wide range of values, based on many factors.

After much consideration, I think that for circulated coins the WES scale may be best. Wear drives the grade, but WES drives the value:

W: Wear
E: Eye Appeal
S: Surfaces

 

So at $60 would you all consider that a good price for this coin? @lordmarcovan and others...