Greek heads

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Barry Murphy, Oct 13, 2021.

  1. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    A few Syracuse tets, a Katane and a few Leontini for today

    Barry


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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Some beautiful heads. :woot::wideyed:
     
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  4. kirispupis

    kirispupis Supporter! Supporter

    That's a nice head start for today!

    I'm so sorry. It was just too tempting. I couldn't resist...
     
  5. Dwarf

    Dwarf Active Member

    Blueprints for a Greek hair stylist
    Love it !
     
  6. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    Beautiful Greek heads! Thanks for sharing. :)
     
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  7. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    It is very interesting for me to find out where these coins were stored for the last 2500 years and what their real age was shown by the analysis of the age of their metal, such as spectral, radio-isotope or other methods of scientific analysis?
     
  8. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    Wonderful coins! Thank you for showing them to us.
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    Agree but I'd still call four of them 'tails'. :angelic:
     
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  10. Kavax

    Kavax Well-Known Member

    Very nice !!

    The three coins from Leontini seem to have the very same patina...

    Here is mine, same obv die Rizzo Tav. XXIII, 2

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  11. kazuma78

    kazuma78 Supporter! Supporter

    Stunning!
     
  12. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    Is "Mr. ID Help" really implying that he's better at recognizing fakes than @Barry Murphy?
     
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  13. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    Beautiful coins
    @Barry Murphy you seem to have quite an enjoyable job at NGC ancients !!!

    :) Q
     
  14. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

    Absolutely stunning, as always... keep 'em coming, they always make my day...
     
  15. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    https://www.coinarchives.com/a/results.php?search=leontinoi

    Why do I put a link to different Leontini coins: but it seems that I was right in my doubts and suspicions. Apparently there was for many centuries a whole business of making counterfeit coins for prototypes for which there were real coins from graves to be delivered to a carrier across the river of the dead ...
     
  16. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    https://www.coinarchives.com/ad24feb2f7465b1afb3de360a7a6dc21/img/nac/124/image00057.jpg

    this coin miracle is worth 55,000 Swiss francs. I wonder if this coin did a metallographic examination to determine its age? I'm sure they didn't. That being said, I have to believe the unscientific conclusion of these auction houses where they are sold. And I do not know whether they are genuine or not. And without a scientific analysis of the metal and the origin of the metal of these coins, they are for me a beautiful forgery made, perhaps, 300 or 400 years ago.
     
  17. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    PS.By the way, it is impossible to doubt the authenticity of coins, which did not exist in the ancient world in principle, but they were invented and created in the early Middle Ages, for example, in Florence or Genoa 800-700 years ago or in Italy during the Renaissance for collections of local Princes and Dodge…
     
  18. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Why so sure? I believe NGC sometimes runs the analysis to make the authenticity determination.

    NGC (modern) will do metallic analysis and put the results on the slab for $75. See https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/1591/ for an example of what that looks like. I have never seen a slabbed coin from NGC ancients with printed results. (If anyone has seen one, let me know.)

    I went to NYC's "diamond district" last month but I was unable to locate anyone willing to XRF ancient coins in exchange for a cash payment. I did have a guy analyze a few for free (!!!). Dirty Old Coins used to have mail-order service to XRF for $25 or $75 and Ras told me there was very little demand.
     
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  19. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    what is written there is a primitive spectral analysis for the chemical composition of various metals in the coin, and I am talking about isotopic analysis, without damaging the coin itself, to determine its age and the mine from which this metal was mined, now such research is done in archeology. I do not want to trust experts, but to know scientific data ... numismatics is an exact science
     
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  20. John Wright

    John Wright Well-Known Member

    Barry, those are absolutely LOVELY!
     
  21. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    Hi John. Hope you and Mabel Ann are doing well.
     
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