England: silver crown of Charles II, 1679, TRICESIMO PRIMO edge, mint error

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How interesting/appealing do you find this coin, whether or not you're an expert? (1=worst, 10=best)

  1. 10

    6 vote(s)
    25.0%

  2. 9

    3 vote(s)
    12.5%

  3. 8

    6 vote(s)
    25.0%

  4. 7

    4 vote(s)
    16.7%

  5. 6

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  6. 5

    3 vote(s)
    12.5%

  7. 4

    1 vote(s)
    4.2%

  8. 3

    1 vote(s)
    4.2%

  9. 2

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  10. 1

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    England: silver crown of Charles II, 1679, TRICESIMO PRIMO edge, mint error
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    Obverse: Third bust of Charles II right.
    Reverse: Crowned arms of England, Scotland, France, and Ireland, with double "C" monograms in the angles.
    Issuer: Charles II, King of England (1660-1685).
    Specifications: Silver, Third Bust with TRICESIMO PRIMO edge lettering. Standards are 38.6 mm, 30.1 g*.
    Grade: PCGS F12, cert. #33019567. The slab label calls it "Broadstruck", but according to Heritage and others, it is more likely just slightly off-center.
    Reference: KM-435, PCGS-610827, Numista-53756, Spink-3358 3rd Bust, Davenport-3776 ("varieties exist").
    Provenance: ex-Heritage Auction 271911, Lot 40047, 17 March 2019.*
    Notes: Charles II took the throne in 1660, ending the Commonwealth period of England which had begun in 1649 with the overthrow and beheading of his father, Charles I, during the English Civil War. After that interregnum of 11 years, Charles' rise to the throne became known as the Restoration.
    Comments: I found the contrasting grey toning on this coin very appealing and handsome, despite its relatively modest grade. I bought this one for its eye appeal, so the minor mint error was just an added bonus.

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  3. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Nice historic piece.
     
    TheFinn, Jun 14, 2020
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  4. Robidoux Pass

    Robidoux Pass Well-Known Member

    A most interesting period in British history -- the House of Stuart and the interruption for the Civil Wars. I too like the grey toning on this coin. It is a quite attractive piece to the eye.
     
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  5. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    I gave it a 10 because it's very attractive and there's a great deal of history behind English monarchs. IMO all European 1/2 crown and crown sized coins are very desirable.
     
    thomas mozzillo, Jun 14, 2020
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  6. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    Also a 10 for these same reasons.
     
    Maxfli, Jun 14, 2020
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I voted 10 as well, for all the same reasons. It is obviously not a high grade coin but it really appeals to me all the same. And since it's a large coin, it's impressive in hand, without the need of a loupe.

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    lordmarcovan, Jun 15, 2020
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  8. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    Lovely piece of old English silver. I give it a 9. Have something very similar looking from William III (1696). They are a truly impressive chunk of silver and steeped in history. The mint error is an additional bonus:)

    Most are well circulated and badly worn but if I were to look for one today, I would try to find a coin in better condition than my current piece. I know it would cost considerably more but it would also be conditionally rare.

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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    That too is a very handsome one.
     
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  10. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    The older I get, the more that counts!
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Believe me, I know.
     
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  12. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Nice one, lordmarcovan. That "broadstruck" aspect is interesting - thanks for the link because I didn't know what broadstruck was.

    I submit this Charles II crown from 1673 in an effort to win The Ugly Baby Contest - or, this is what $25 and too much time spent trolling eBay will get you:

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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    An 18th century love token on a 17th century crown for 25 bucks sounds like all win to me! Great grab!

    There ain't a lick of "ugly" there, to my eyes.
     
    lordmarcovan, Jun 16, 2020
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  14. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    I believe I've posted this coin before as part of an entry post to one of your past contests, @lordmarcovan. Anyway, here is my lowball Charles II crown that I purchased at the spring 2018 Ancient City Coin Club Coin and Currency Show in St. Augustine, Florida. The dealer who had it failed to recognize the edge inscription V. Octavo and sold it to me for about $12 as an undated piece of junk silver



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  15. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    $12!! That's a heckuva deal - isn't that pretty close to melt? I'm jealous.
     
    Marsyas Mike, Jun 17, 2020
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  16. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure as to what the silver price per ounce was in April of 2018, but I'm sure I paid under melt value at the time. A lot of the dealers I've interacted with often sell foreign silver at a slight discount, more so for cull and lowball quality coins.
     
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