Greaser or Capped Die? Opinions please

I can't decide if this 1982 Lincoln is a grease filled die, struck with a capped die, or something else. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Joe

 

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very late state, capped die

 

I agree with Treashunt

 

I think that it's cool and interesting that you can read the date. Was it from roll searching?

 

Not from roll searching, got it in change years ago and just re-discovered it in a box I had put away. Totally forgot I had it.

 

One more question. What are the diagnostics for a capped die? I have 3 or 4 other coins like this that I always thought were struck through grease. Does the fact that it covers the entire obverse give it away? Or is there some other sign that nails it as capped die vs. grease filled die? Thanks again.

 

I think it could be a strike through a rag, rather than a capped type, because the rev is in a good a state and not expanded out. I could be wrong!

 

there would not be any difference between a coin that was struck thru a rag or a die cap on the other side.It would only show a difference on the struck thru side. either way the coin gets struck the same way while it is inside of the retaining collar and resting on the other coin die.when a coin is struck while not in the collar is when they widen out of shape.

 

I'd have to go with struck through rather than a capped die, because the coin is completely normal in shape with solid rims.

Sometimes a coin will be struck with a die-capped coin still stuck in the press. That coin would be a brockage though, and even in a late die state will impress some details from the opposite side.

You may also want to consider the possibility that this side of the coin was exposed to acid (post mint).

 

Numismat a struck thru and a capped die coin is the same thing. you need to learn what a capped die really is. a struck thru coin is a struck thru coin and is the same thing as being struck thru any other stuff. now I see why you tried so hard to convince me that my slabbed coin was not what I say it is , you probably didn't know any better. keep interested and if you want to learn more this is the right place to learn ....

 

You are COMPETELY wrong about that. A capped die and a coin struck by a capped die coin are two different things. A coin struck through a capped die is a brockage. Not going to waste time explaining it to you, just Google it.

 

Actually I should clarify. In the case of a capped die the next coins are not struck through, but are struck by the coin stuck in the die. In a strike through the coin is still struck by the die, only with something in between.
With a capped die, that half of the die never strikes the coin. This coin doesn't have anything to do with a capped die because both sides are struck. If it were, the coin would have incuse details from the memorial side on the Lincoln side. If the capped die coin was in there long enough that all the details were flattened, the it would be a uniface coin with only the memorial side being struck.
Hope that makes sense.

 

You about have it figured out but still a little off track. you said
{in the case of a capped die the next coins are not struck thru } this is wrong IMO. this would be called a struck thru die cap. what you are having a hard time with is the fact that the longer a die cap stays on the coin die the more it wears away. eventually it will totally disingerate as the pieces keeps falling off and out of the die. then the die is clean and free again. sometimes these pieces of the worn away die cap can fall out of the recesses of the coin die and become struck into the next planchet and looks the same as dropped letters or dropped die details. this is why we sometimes find a coin that looks almost completely smooth is the fact that all is left of the die cap is what is up inside of the die recesses and has them filled in. a capped die fills in the details of coin dies just like other junk does.

have you ever seen a filled in die coin ? I have a few here somewhere.

 

Yes I have seen a couple. The difference is whether the details from that half of the die strike the coin or not. For a strike through, the grease, cloth or whatever is thin and/or weak enough that some details can be imparted. A capped die doesn't allow any of the detail from the die to be impressed on that side of the coin.
I have never seen or heard of a coin hit by a capped die that had visible obverse and reverse details. I don't see how that would even be possible.

PS: I don't think I've ever discussed errors in this depth and length before, ever. I guess stubbornness can be good.

 

NICE FIND! It's a genuine error. Is that a zinc cent? If so, the error would be even more awesome.

 

Hi BadThad,

No, it's not a zinc cent. But it is a large date from what I can tell.

 

darn man or woman whatever you are , you are looking at one on this thread in the photo by the OP and you have seen many of them on this forum. stubborn is ok but you are going way overboad. anyway it is not bothering me and hopefully no one else. I like dickering with you. I have a quarter with aluminum ejector finger fragments stuck into it. have you ever seen or heard of one of those? I tried to get a photo of it and gave up.

 

It's darn man. Perhaps you can explain how this is a capped die instead of just saying it is?

I've never seen a coin with that, but I've seen die strikes directly on the feeder finger, and those are pretty freakin' cool, IMO.

 

You would not believe me if I told you why this is a struck thru die cap coin if I did tell you. maybe someone else will come along and explain if for you,or better yet figure it out on your own.this is the best way to learn things.I saw that same thing that you are talking about struck on the aluminum feeder finger somewhere on the internet and it is one of a kind. the coin like I have with the aluminum feeder finger pieces struck into it are supposed to be rare also.

when I first found the quarter I knew something was wrong with it and put it away.the coin was bright and shiny and the aluminum places looked a different color and has sunken in lines around the aluminum pieces.. now the coin has toned and the aluminum pieces still are brillant white. this is how I figured out that it was aluminum pieces.silver or nickel will tone but aluminum keeps it's color.you may see this one on ebay if I can get some good photos of it.

 

That defeats the purpose of being on forums like this. We are here to share. If I can take the time to explain my reasoning, then you who says I am wrong needs to explain why and not just say it's so.