Grading question

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Miketexas, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. Miketexas

    Miketexas Member

    I'm new to grading and looking for some online resources that are helpful in grading. Also, I have a few coins I'm wondering about the grade and if they should be slabbed. uploadfromtaptalk1424275940349.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1424275960236.jpg uploadfromtaptalk1424275985882.jpg
     
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  3. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    PCGS Photograde is one example. They also make a free app for smartphones/tablets.

    Personally, I wouldn't send any of these off to get graded unless they were visually perfect to the naked eye. But then we can only see one side of each coin...
     
  4. phankins11

    phankins11 Well-Known Member

    All of these coins, with the exception of the Lincoln Cent look to be moderately (the toned nickels) to heavily circulated (the 196x nickel). But the pictures could be playing tricks on the toned Jefferson Nickels.

    Toning on these modern coins can happen even after circulation, if they sit in the right place for the right amount of time with the right circumstances. Those two coins look to be high XF to low AU grades.

    That 1993 D Lincoln seems to be in the high AU to low MS grade range and looks like it has the typical copper plating anomalies that are so prevalent with the 90s zincolns. the 93 D is only worth maybe 5-8 bucks in MS-65 and yours doesn't seem to be in that grade range.

    That Jefferson nickel with a 196x (maybe 1962?) date on it...cant see the last number because of the light reflection...looks like a heavily circulated nickel, not really worth much unless its a variety that I don't know about, and there are lots of varieties I don't know about. It looks to be in F to VF condition. Again, unless its a highly prized variety, its hardly worth grading IMO.

    The only two reasons I would personally slab a coin (rather than just buying slabbed) would be either for resale to make a profit or if I just wanted it slabbed for my own collection, and then only if its a higher grade or a key date find.

    If the going price of the coin slabbed and graded were to out weigh the the cost of submission plus cost of the coin and you plan to sell it once its graded and slabbed, go for it. You have to be very sure of your grading skills though and that can be a tough (translate expensive) lesson to learn. I'm currently in the middle of my first lesson and the jury is still out on how well I speculated. If I was off it will cost me $40 and change. The price of an education is how I look at it.

    Secondly, if the coin is something you like, and you don't care about the cost of submission, then go for it. I personally don't see the reason for grading and encapsulating coins unless you want verification of the grade, and even then, its probably more cost effective to buy that coin already graded. If its an older coin (18th, 19th, and even the turn of the 20th century), and a key date, then grading can be a good idea. Especially for validation that the coin has not been tampered with.

    As far as online resources for grading the best place to start is PCGS's photograde website. http://www.pcgs.com/photograde/. Another great resource is the PCGS Gide to Coin Grading and Counterfeit Detection. ANA also has a book similar.

    Numismedia's FMV is an online resource for pricing. The best places though to find the value of the coins are completed & sold auctions from Ebay, Heritage (ha.com), and Great Collections (greatcollections.com). Its like looking at comps for houses, but for coins. PCGS also has a price guide as well on their website and for your smart phones.

    Ok well that reply got away from me...good luck.
     
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  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I wouldn't submit any of them for grading, either. Keep in mind that you will be spending in the neighborhood of $30 for each coin which includes shipping & insurance. I doubt that any of them would grade high enough to recover those costs.

    Chris
     
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  6. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Please do not jump on the slab wagon w/o knowing what you have for a grade firsthand. I recently picked up a run of Jefferson nickels slabbed PCGS in proof 69 DCAM (8 total) for under $5.00 each, shipped free.
     
  7. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Is that a huge die chip and some lamination on that Jefferson nickel and not glare?
     
  8. cpm9ball

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    In 2006, I bought 9 tubes of proof nickels, 2004-2006, for $100 a tube. The seller was a dealer who submitted proof coins from the Mint, but didn't bother with the nickels because it wasn't worth it.

    Chris
     
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  9. Miketexas

    Miketexas Member

    Tommy the jefferson does have a lamination issue I believe . I can take a better picture after work.
     
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  10. Miketexas

    Miketexas Member

    Phankins11 I do thank you for your long informative post. Lots of info and things to consider. The photos of the two toned jefferson are not good. They are much brighter.
     
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  11. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    last year I picked up a roll of 20 proof Presidential dollar coins for $30.00 shipped. After looking at them they would all be 69 DCAMS so I'm guessing the dealer also did not want to be bothered unless they graded 70's. Still, not bad at just $10.00 over face. I know I can get $5.00 each for them.
     
  12. cpm9ball

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    Yeah, that was a good price.

    I was using the proof nickels for Westward Journey 15-coin displays so I didn't mind the price.

    Chris
     
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  13. phankins11

    phankins11 Well-Known Member

    Chris, do you have pics Of those displays?
     
  14. cpm9ball

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    No. They are the 13-coin display containing 2004 BU P&D Peace Medal & Keelboat; 2005 BU P&D Bison & Ocean in View and 2006 BU P&D Return to Monticello plus one each PF 2004, 2005 & 2006 to show the different Jefferson obverse portraits.

    I bought 9 dozen of the display cases, but - Ha! Ha! - I only got around to putting together about a dozen sets.

    Chris
     
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