Grade this AWESOME 1967 SMS Kennedy Half!

I bought this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250188430263&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=015
coin on Ebay a few weeks ago, and I got it dipped by a friend. Here are the before and after pictures. Not bad, huh?

What do you guys think it will grade, and what grading company should I send it to?

 

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Wow - those are some very different before and after pictures!!! What did he dip it in if you don't mind me asking?

As it is now it would be a addition to any collection! I hope it does not change with time.

Thanks for sharing!

 

He dipped it in Ez, alcohol, distilled water, and acetone. However he did it, it obviously worked great!

 

Should go 66 CAM at least, and 67 DCAM wouldn't be a surprise.

Although I do not condone such behavior it looks like a nice dip job, too. Hopefully it was neutralized correctly or the coin will not look good in a few months.

Thanks for sharing...Mike

 

p.s. Personally, I wouldn't send it to any grading company. But if selling and maximizing profits are your goal, I'd send it to PCGS.

 

Thanks Mike....I think I might do that...I'd like to flip it so i can buy more Morgans =p

 

Excellent results. I have had some good luck removing contaminants and haze from proofs with similar methods.

Make sure the coin is neutralized, so that it doesn't turn later.

 

Looks great "after" but I just plain don't agree with the practice so I say send it to SGS for the "guaranteed" PR70UltraIncredibleCam or start your own fly by night grading service.

Dipping a coin to slab same with the risk of it going "bad" again for profit is just unethical IMHO.

Many of us on CoinTalk could do the same thing and choose not to as we RESPECT the hobby.

 

Gotta agree with Clembo on this.

I just don't like seeing and/or reading this on a coin collecting forum.

Please go to the Coin FLIPPING forum. I think it's at www.shaft_people.com

 

I'll play devil's advocate here......if dipping a coin is "wrong" because is changes the surfaces of the coin by stripping a very small layer of metal, this is removing surface contaminents from a coin IF it doesn't interact with the coin itself, only the contaminents on the surface?

Just throwing this out for good discussion.

 

I don't have any coins that look like the second (dipped) example. I guess, for once, I'm glad that I can only afford to bottom feed.

 

And using this coin as an example, who would have wanted it in their collection all hazy like that? If done properly dipping can be very good for the coin. This coin will now find a home where it is wanted and enjoyed, which is not what would have happened if it hadn't been restored. If the market demanded originality, trust me, that coin wouldn't have been dipped, but collectors don't demand originality, they demand beauty and they define that beauty as un-hazy bright white cameo coins. As long as collectors demand that there will be dealers/other collectors able and willing to provide it.

 

I agree with Troll....The coin obviously looks much better dipped. It looked horrible natural...and I'm pretty sure my friend new exactly what he was doing. I'm SURE he neutralized it and everything.

 

I'm aware of it but that doesn't mean I agree with it and I HAVE dipped some Sterling silver pieces to remove haze but not to slab for profit.

 

Dipping a coin isn't wrong if you want to do it to your own coin. Dipping it for sheer profit?

Slight difference don't you think?

 

So no one likes a naurally toned or hazy coin that is totally original?

Granted, most people love that white, deep cam coin but others appreciate the real thing. What's next? - taking one of those old naturally toned, damn near black Franklin halves slabbed MS65 and "cleaning it up"?

It's not just about finding a "home" IMHO. It's about finding some money from it's new home.

 

:hammer: hit that nail on the head clembo

 

I think it looks like a very decent dip job and actually did the coin a lot of good. It definitely raised the value a ton and the eye appeal is great now. Personally, I LOVE original, problem-free material. BUT, the coin must have eye appeal. Yes, it was original, but the eye appeal sucked. So, in all practicality...who cares if it was dipped? The dip has a very positive effect on this coin.

 

The fiddle is playing. Is Rome burning?

What's going to happen in a year or two when the coin market really cools down. People will begin to do anything to "flip" for a profit.

I guess our kids and grandkids will have to deal with the resulting mess. "Oh remember the time in the early 2000's when coin collecting became coin flipping."