Grade this 1872 Victoria Penny

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  1. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

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    I purchased this 1872 Victoria Penny yesterday for $12 (or just about 10 British pounds on the dot), in a flip marked "VF", which it seems better than to me given it has original mint luster. However I am not overly familiar with grading these coins. My best guess is AU-something by American grading standards, but the missing detail on Britannia's clothes are throwing me off - I am guessing this is because of wear, but could it also be strike weakness given the amount of remaining mint luster?

    Would appreciate any input on grade.
     
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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Au 58 nice coin love that crack
     
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  4. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    Too much wear in the hair, chest, shield and robe. I'd say XF-45. It may have been a real weak strike to start with to have still some "red"
     
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  5. TheGame

    TheGame Well-Known Member

    If I was grading it for my personal collection I think I'd probably call it XF. I think a TPG would put it around 50 or 53.
     
  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Looking at the shield I say a weak strike on worn dies...especially with that crack...however...its got a MPD 72 in the denticles. ;) take a very close look enlarge the image. Bingo a winner

    Lol the 1 and 8 also their tops arre present..blow up the image
     
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  7. Mister T

    Mister T Active Member

    aEF? Some good detail but possible struck from worn dies.
     
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  8. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    Guessing XF.
     
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  9. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    The top of the 1 lays over the 2 denticles directly under the 1
    The top of the 8 loop bridge the two denticles
    The 7 top as well the doweward flag on the 7
    And the top of the two can be seen the curve around the denticles.
    See the images and compare the marked areas to the zoomed in image. 20220710_094948.jpg 20220710_095102.jpg
     
  10. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Not being versed in foreign coins, what does any of that mean? How does it affect the grade of the coin?
     
  11. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Varities don't have effect the grade,only add value for having the variety. Now in other countries...they count things as a variety...that here we don't. They sometimes consider die chips,die cracks as a variety. Here we don't. But a mpd mis placed date is a variety.as its a date stamped in a place to hide or by mistake as the punch may have jumped when hit to set a digit.
     
  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I'm in the AU55-58 range. Nice Vickie.
     
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  13. mrbadexample

    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

    Here's what Gouby has to say:

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