grade opions on this DMPL 1880/79-o micro o morgan dollar?

Just got this one today. One of the nicest DMPL's I have ever seen (as far as the deepness of the mirrors). It's definitely an overdate, and has a micro o.

 

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:thumb: Wow that is nice. It definitely looks like an UC but I wouldn't have the first guess as to the number.

 

The coin looks nicer in hand, it looks a lot more scratched in the picture.

 

Too many fake micros for my blood. Pretty lookin coin though. Hope its the real deal

 

Simply Beautiful :thumb: You quickly becoming the DMPL Barron, LOL

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The suspected fake micro O's were in 1896, 1900, and 1902. The "real" and wrongly used micro O was 1899.

1880 used the micro O as a standard mint mark. When I get home later, I can check the VAM book. Not sure how many different O's were used in 1880. All of my 1880-O Morgans have the micro O.

How about a close-up of the overdate? That's another coin on my want list. You're picking up some nice looking Morgans lately!

Forgot to guess the grade... I'd say at least MS63-PL or DMPL.

 

According to the VAM Book, 1880 used two different "O" mint marks.
I O Small O
II O Tall oval medium O with narrow slit

 

It definitely is a small O, as the slit is not narrow.

 

Yup. I guess what I'm trying to say is that most of the 1880-O's are micro O's. The 1880-O VAM 1 uses the micro O.

When I hear the term "micro O", I think of the micro O Morgans on the Top 100 list (96, 99, 00, 02). They are the coins that accidentally used the wrong mint mark (or were counterfeited). The 1880-O micro O was used on purpose.

Certain 1880/79 overdates are on the Top 100 list, but it has nothing to do with the micro O. Do you know which VAM it is? Some of them have a VERY high premium in mint state.

 

I have no idea what VAM it is, as I have yet to get into those. I need to pick up a book. I'll try to get a close-up of the overdate when I'm done my engineering homework (could be a while)

 

Homework is more important.

The 1880-O overdates on the Top 100 list are VAMs 4, 5, 6, 6A, and 6B.

In mint state, most are worth 2x or 3x the common value.

If it is an overdate, from the pictures, I'm guessing VAM 4. It's a wild guess. You would see the remains of a 7 in the top loop of the 2nd 8.

 

I don't see anything in the 8, but in the 0 I see what looks to me to clearly be an overdate. I'm done my homework so I'll have a closeup posted in the next 20 minutes or so.

 

Here are the best I could do on closeups. I'm pretty sure it is an overdate, but then again, I've been wrong before. (I did say it was definitely an overdate, so hopefully it is)

 

Do you think there is something there at least? I can see doubling on the left inside the 0, but also to the right and outside the 0. Perhaps a repunched 0?

 

Thanks for the clarification. I have been focusing on morgans, but seeing as such, I should probably learn about VAM's as well. I just purchased the encyclopedia of morgan dollars by Allen and Miller, so once it arrives, I'll start studying

 

Doubling on the date digits is fairly common. I use it more as a die marker to determine the die pairing... and VAM. I agree with GD about the overdate. You would see part of the digit underneath. For 1880-O's, there are some with overdates on the second 8 and the 0 (8/7, 80/79).

Not sure about the 1921's, but for earlier Morgans, each digit was punched separately. There are VAM varieties with dashes under a digit or part of a digit in the denticles. It's believed these were used as alignment guides to properly position each number as it was being punched.

I also think GD is a closet VAM collector. He probably has hoards of Morgans and looks at them all night long with a 16x loupe.

 

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