George and Victoria in the 1930s???

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Bonedigger, Oct 12, 2006.

  1. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Here are a couple which I had to pick-up. They appear to be struck over a regular rupee. I believe these were for ceremonial purposes only. ;)

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    Ben
     
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  3. Ian

    Ian Coin Collector

    :)

    Well, i'll have to be brutally honest here and say that I can't think what `ceremony' would involve putting the wrong monarchs on coins dated in the 1930's (?). ;)

    If they are indeed overstruck on genuine rupees then I can see where you are coming from but are you sure that these are actually overstruck? I'd weigh them just to be sure about that. They look to me to be more like simple forgeries than anything else. Even if they weigh in right, it might still be an example of a forger testing out his dies. The designs look to me to be all over the place.

    Ian
     
  4. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    This is from the auction. They are indeed forgeries ;)
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    -- SIZE: 30mm, DIAMETER,

    On offer is a beautiful DOUBL STURK SILVER RUPEE coin dated 1939,

    This wonderfully elegant silver coin is in excellent condition, with lovely dark toning (SEE PICTURE).

    The 1939 coins are technically a posthumous issue under King Edward VIII, as King George V died on the 20 January, 1936, but as the coins depict King George V's portrait,
    They are made after his death for his remembrance, (fake coin)
    bid RIGHT AWAY for a great deal AND YOU MAY WIN! START WITH LITTLE PRICE. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO OWN AN EXAMPLE OF THIS LEGENDARY OLD COIN , YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU SEE IN THE SCAN, view my other item,--

    This from the Victoria auction

    -- SIZE: 30mm, DIAMETER,

    On offer is a beautiful DOUBL STURK SILVER RUPEE coin dated 1936,

    Please note: Queen Victoria born in 24 May 1819 – Victoria died on 22 January 1901 dated 1936, Superb design and silver, They are made after his death for his and her remembrance,
    It is made on religion purposes to be made as a pair with Queen Victoria and King George in India. (fake coin)--
     
  5. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    well, they arent official coins without doubt...write up says they are fake...they emulate km#524 1 Rupee (1912-1936) and km#473 1 Rupee (1862-1876) or coins like them...

    The portraits are raw and off without doubt:

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    but interesting all the same...
     
  6. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Forgeries from China.

    Ben,a lot of coin forgeries originate in China.It isn't only the Chinese silver dollar-sized coins that get forged,but popular coins such as the British Trade Dollar & the Indian silver 1 Rupee are also often forged.There are 2 ways to identify a forgery,apart from the wrong obverses & reverses being paired up.

    Look at the colour.If it appears a dull grey with a soapy appearance,then it is a giveaway that it is a dud.

    Weigh the thing.If it is very light or lighter than it should be,then it is definitely a dud.

    The most common forgeries I have seen is of British Trade Dollars of the rarer dates such as the 1921,the 1934,& the excessively rare 1935.

    Aidan.
     
  7. spiraltreet

    spiraltreet New Member

    Well.. I'm afraid, these are pure Fakes!! I've come across lot of these coins in the Indian markets now a days. And their origin is from China. These coins do have a greenish or blackish toning coupled with not so perfect images. If you compare them with the original coins, you can easily identify. And needless to say, these coins have lesser percentage of silver in them.
     
  8. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    How do you know they are from China?

    Couldn't Indians have the technology to produce fakes?

    :)
     
  9. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Willie,Communist China is an extremely corrupt country.Look at all those pirate videos & pirate DVDs that come out of China.

    India,on the other hand,while it is a poor country,there is virtually no corruption.The trade in coin forgeries in India is almost unheard of.It is entirely possible to find the 1/4 Rupee (4 Annas),1/2 Rupee (8 Annas),& the 1 Rupee coins dating right back to 1946 in change.

    The 1/4 Rupee is found circulating as a 25 Paise,& the 1/2 Rupee is found circulating as a 50 Paise.I am sure that Biju (Spiraltreet) can confirm this.

    Aidan.
     
  10. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Thats a bad example of Chinese corruption. In fact, I apporve of that.
     
  11. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    I wouldn't approve of that,as a lot can go wrong with the pirate DVDs & videos.Piracy should be a crime & tough penalties should be imposed.

    Aidan.
     
  12. spiraltreet

    spiraltreet New Member

    Well, to be honest, these all depend on how you define corruption. The Chinese do this with the goodwill of the government out there. The anti-corruption rules in China are stronger than most other countries. Also, corruption exists in India also. But the real headache for the coin lovers is that the Chinese are trying to master the production of forgeries and there is virtually no one there to stop them. Minting of coins by private firms is a punishable offence in India, while it is not so in China. This is the major difference.
     
  13. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Biju,thank you for clarifying the legal issue as far as India's numismatic trade goes.

    Aidan.
     
  14. spiraltreet

    spiraltreet New Member

    You are welcome Aidan...
     
  15. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Welcome back,Biju,& congratulations on your bundle of joy.

    I'm still collecting Indian coins.I picked up a 1957 2 Naye Paise,plus 2 1982 aluminium 5 Paise coins,a 1983 currency issue 20 Paise coin,& a 1981 1 Rupee.

    Aidan.
     
  16. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    Hey guys sorry to burst the bubble but there a lot of forgeries from Indian dealers for coins you will see rare date dates going for a song like 1938 silver rupee going for 10$ which are fakes. If you guys know of any place where i can get genuine high grade British India coins please let me know. Thanks.
     
  17. spiraltreet

    spiraltreet New Member

  18. coincollector

    coincollector Junior Member

    thanks

    Thanks for the warnings, I was about to buy a bunch of coins from ebay.in now i have to think twice.
     
  19. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    think 5 times do your homework check the feedback and then buy. more often than not you will get burnt if you dont know what you are doing. want to buy some indian coins buy it directly from the mint. you wont get cheated and u will gets ome good beauties. enjoy.
     
  20. spiraltreet

    spiraltreet New Member

    You can get only new mint coins (UNC sets and Proof sets) from the mint. And so far, I have not come across a fake proof or UNC coin of Republic India either in eBay or here in India.
     
  21. spiraltreet

    spiraltreet New Member

    So, I should say.. its pretty safe to buy any Republic India coins from eBay or any other site as they are easily available. The only exception is the 1992 Two Rupees coin commemorating 'Land Vital Resource'. Incidentally this is the same coin I've taken as my avatar. But, please be careful while buying the coins before 1947.
     
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