Genuine clipped planchet? 1936

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by GriffonK, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. GriffonK

    GriffonK Member

    Here is a coin i found while searching some large bins.

    Looking closely either side of the clipped area the rim is thicker than the opposite rim.

    Am I correct in thinking this is a genuine clipped planchet.

    Is it fair to say this is Blakesley effect? 20181005_114952.jpg 20181005_114952.jpg 20181005_115019.jpg
     
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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    possibly a real clip, but no Blakesley effect
     
  4. GriffonK

    GriffonK Member

    Blakesley effect is not the weakening of the rim opposite to the clipped section?

    Shown by the two red markers below in the image the rim appears thicker either side of the clip. And thiner on the opposite rim. 20181005_125411.jpg
     
  5. GriffonK

    GriffonK Member

    Ok i see now. Its the tapering out of the thickness rather than how i understood initially. Thanks
     
  6. GriffonK

    GriffonK Member

    Screenshot_20181005-130852_Chrome.jpg Screenshot_20181005-131024_Chrome.jpg

    On my coin we see the border pattern closest to the clipped section with distinct lack of detail in border closest to the cut. I think this is proof its legit and the second image details this theory of weak strike around clipped area.
     
  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    You haven't shown a picture of the edge yet..
    That's important also
     
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  8. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Supporter! Supporter

    Picture of clipped edge and opposite edge could help us
     
  9. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    It's genuine
     
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  10. GriffonK

    GriffonK Member

    20181005_141929.jpg

    Thank you for your help everyone. Very much appreciated.
     
  11. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    I can see the correct 'cut and tear' marks
    inside the clip.......the third authentication point.
     
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  12. GriffonK

    GriffonK Member

    Thank you very much.
    1) weak strike next to the clipped section?
    2)?
    3) cut and tear marks.

    Can you please help me fill in the gaps.
    Thanks.
     
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2018
  13. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    1. (Not weak strike,) but Metal Flow,
    towards the clip's void area. The
    striking pressure of 65-75 Tons
    forces the metal toward the path
    of least resistance, usually up into
    or down into, the dies, thereby
    creating a coin. In the Clip Case,
    the metal doesn't do into the die
    recesses, but instead flows outward
    toward the void (clip area, showing
    the metal flow.

    2. Blakesley Effect opposite the clip.
    This will show on the vast majority
    of all clips - curved, straight end,
    and ragged.

    3. Cut And Tear marks - the gang punch
    that comes down to 'punch' out a blank
    only goes thru the strip 51% - that's the
    'cut' mark; the 'tear' mark is the blank
    being pushed down thru the strip, and out.

    This only shows on curved and some straight
    end clips - if you look inside the curved clip
    of any coin, you'll see a smooth area, and a
    bought area (inside) - that's the Cut and Tear
    Marks I refer to.

    Hope this helps a bit.
     
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  14. GriffonK

    GriffonK Member

    A bit..!! Thankyou for taking your time to offer such a great detailed response.
     
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