Frustrated with trying to sell coins

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by jrh, Sep 15, 2004.

  1. jrh

    jrh New Member

    Hi all,

    I've been doodling around with some slabbed Washingtons for several years, and due to going back to school full time, I'd like to sell them. I've got a couple of coins that are ANACS graded, and are worth several hundred dollars.

    I'm really frustrated with eBay, as they either get no bids, or else I see similar stuff going for WAY less than book value (like, a small percentage of book value). If they're going for so little, what's the use of having a book value?

    Anyone got any suggestions on where to sell a small number of coins and still realize a reasonable amount from them?

    Thanks!

    Butch
     
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  3. susanlynn9

    susanlynn9 New Member

    Hi, Butch. I looked at your feedback and saw that you only have 5 as a seller. That might be part of the problem. I couldn't look at any of your closed auctions because they were too old. What were your pictures like? Even with graded coins, veteran collectors who purchase on eBay do not take the grade on the slab for granted. They want to buy the coin, not the slab. If the pictures are not large and clear enough, there are many people who would not take the chance on a higher dollar coin. My husband and I sell on eBay and we usually start our coins at about 50% of Red Book value. We have had very good sales and many of our coins sell for over the Red Book price. We have sold some graded coins and we always provide a supersize image so people can scrutinize the coin. Hope this helps. :)
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think the problem you're having may be with your perception of book value - what book value are you using ?
     
  5. jrh

    jrh New Member

    Hi Susan,

    Thanks for your reply. As for feedback... I've been selling on eBay for several years. Honestly, I ship what I sell when I get the money, and I rarely if ever even look at the feedback. It seems superfluous if you're honest to start with.

    I've got very high quality scans of both sides of the coin merged into one image (to cut down on loading time). I've usually started at about 50% of book value as well, so that seems in line with what you're saying. Maybe I need to do the supersize image thing.

    Thanks!

    Butch
     
  6. jrh

    jrh New Member

    Book values

    I'm basing my "book value" expectation on an average of the values contained in the current red book, a "Coin Prices" magazine I bought last week, and looking at a couple of online sources. They're all within a few dollars on a multi-hundred dollar value coin, so I figure that must be in the ballpark.

    B


     
  7. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    jrh,

    The Red Book and Coin Prices are high end retail price guides, and neither are a good source for judging value. Closed auctions are one good source, and the Coin Dealers Newsletter is the other. All other prices found should be taken with a big dose of salt. If you want to list the coins that you have with the grade, I will be happy to post the current greysheet bid for them.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You answered pretty much as I expected you to and I think that is the problem. As Nd said - those are not good sources for values. Go check what the realized prices are for the same coins you have on Heritage, TeleTrade & ebay. Then you will have a reasonable idea of book value instead of an idealistic one.
     
  9. jrh

    jrh New Member

    Hi,

    Thanks much for all the info and offers of help. The two coins I'm looking to sell at the moment are both ANACS MS65 Washingtons. The first is a 1934P light motto variety. It's nicely struck, and has some very light honey colored toning on the obverse, and a bit of the same, plus a little grey/blue around the rim on the reverse. Strike is excellent, and there is a lot of nice cartwheel lustre on it.

    The second is a 1935P. Again, nicely struck, and a very nice looking coin overall.

    I couldn't find any of either one on Teletrade's prices realized just now..

    Also, do y'all recommend going with someone like Teletrade for a small number of coins like this, rather than using eBay?

    Tks!

    Butch

     
  10. coinquest1961

    coinquest1961 Well-Known Member

    It seems to me that sales have been kind of slow on ebay lately-I've had some trouble selling some of my stuff, too.
     
  11. susanlynn9

    susanlynn9 New Member

    jrh, I just looked on eBay and it seems that the higher grade certified quarters are not going for much. If I were you, I would abandon the eBay idea for now. If you want to go that route eventually, watch the closed auctions and when prices are going up, then try to sell. Keep in mind that Christmas is coming, that always makes eBay sales go through the roof. You may be able to get more for it in October or so.
     
  12. jrh

    jrh New Member

    Thanks everybody...

    I guess I'll just hold on to them for a few weeks and see what happens. Ebay can be frustrating sometimes just to try and get prices realized on closed auctions. There's just so much stuff on there. I'm not sure the minimum information thing (in the other thread) is such a bad idea. It's amazing the amount of trash you get when you do a very narrowly defined search in the coin area.

    Thanks again everybody for the info.

    Butch

     
  13. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Okay the 1934-P has a current greysheet bid of $68 in MS-65. The light motto does add a little interest to some, but not really that difficult to find.
    The 1935-P has a current bid of $84. Again this really isn't a difficult coin to find in gem condition. Hope that helps.
     
  14. jrh

    jrh New Member

    Holy moley!

    Back in July '98 I paid $110 and some change for the 34-P Light Motto on Teletrade! You're telling me it's worth slightly over half that today? I thought Washingtons were "hot-hot-hot" these days?

    If that's what I can reasonably expect to get out of it, I'll just keep it..

    Thanks!

    Butch

     
  15. jimmy_goodfella

    jimmy_goodfella New Member

    teletrade what did you expect

    its not that its gone down in value its you paid to much for it in the first place
     
  16. Ed Zak

    Ed Zak New Member

    I sold a dozen coins in August on ebay and my auctions all started nice and low.

    Unfortunately, I should have LISTENED to this forum advising me that August is not good for selling. I got spanked like a 3 year old in a Wal-Mart aisle!


    For instance...1935-S Lincoln in MS65RD PCGS sold for only $38! The dealer that bought it now has it listed on his web site for $69.

    Between the fees and all, can you say "Write-off!"

    Doh!!
     
  17. collect4fun

    collect4fun Senior Member

    I can relate to that, as can my 3 yr old !!

    In my first attempt in selling coins on ebay, nothing fancy mind you, I sold four of seven items and lost $5.00 from what I bought them at, not including listing costs.

    Maybee I throw some on again in November, just in time for Christmas shopping.
     
  18. jrh

    jrh New Member

    So you're telling me....

    So are you telling me only suckers buy from Teletrade? How do they stay in business (purportedly purveying to the collector trade)?? And how come *none* of the widely available pricing guides (I don't have access to the grey sheet) reflect the drastically lower values people here are talking about? What's the point of the drastically higher prices that are listed everywhere?? Is *anyone* paying that much?

    I guess I've missed some major 'stuff' when it comes to collecting. Now I'm really frustrated. Makes me glad I'm unloading coins. Too many vagaries in the market for me.

    Butch


     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    jrh -

    Instead of getting discouraged - let me ask you a question. When you shop for a car or a TV - do all the shops have then at the same price ? Of course not - it would be foolish to think they would.

    Coins are no different. You can buy the exact same coin in the same grade at a dozen different places and pay a dozen different prices. That's the nature of the retail business.

    TeleTrade is an excellent source for coins at times - at other times it's not so good. Like anything else - it depends on the coin - not who's selling it. It also depends on how many folks are bidding on a given coin for that given auction. You can see that yourself - just check the TeleTrade auction archives.

    Now as to why the price guides are so different than the prices that have been mentioned here - that's easy. Think about it - who publishes these price guides ? Almost inevitably it is someone selling something else. And what sells product ? Good news. In this case - good news equals high prices.

    If you were to spend a few years closely tracking the price guides and how the values change and comparing them with the actual auction records of the same coins as they were sold - what you would find is that the price listed in the guides most often equals the highest price paid for a given coin - not for the average paid for that coin.

    You should also look to see who the price guides collect their data from - coin dealers. Every month the price guides contact a number of coin dealers across the nation and ask them - what are you selling this coin for today ? And what do you expect the coin dealers to say ? Of course they are going to tell them it is selling for $XXXX instead of $XX. They want to sell more coins at $XXXX and increase their profits. The dealers know all too well that many collectors use the price guides as a bible - if it says it's worth this much in the guide - then it is. And so they are willing to pay that price. And so the cycle continues.

    But a collector with a little knowledge and one who does the necessary research to check and see if the price guides are accurate - soon finds they are not. He also soon finds what the reasonable price actually is. And that's what you've been told here.

    You may also wish to take note that as little as 6 months to a year ago - prices for many coins, in particular some moderns, were a great deal higher than they are now. And I rather suspect that in the months to come - they will be even lower.

    Just my opinion.
     
  20. jody526

    jody526 New Member

    Well GD, it looks like you've done it again.
    You've killed another thread.

    When will you learn to stop confusing us with the facts?
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Awwwww c'mon Jody - this one had 19 posts :(

    Aint that enough ? :D
     
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