Focus on Jefferson (bblluurryy nickels)

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Howard Black, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    Both of these came out of the same roll a week or so ago. They are in remarkably good condition, possibly the best I've seen come out of a bank roll. I don't even see any bag marks!

    They are very similar but not identical, and, the one on the left has a "warm" tint and the one on the right is so reflective that I would consider it to be proof-like or nearly so -- apart from the mushy strike.

    I am anticipating a flurry of "Die Deterioration!" ex-cathedra declarations, but for those so inclined, please try this little gedankenexperiment: Visualize a duck. Now, visualize water, pouring onto its back. While you're working on that, please excuse me as I continue with my thoughts.

    I have seen beaucoup coins suffering from a wide range of die deterioration, both in RL and online, but none have looked like these coins.

    Apart from that, it seems pretty clear to me that they have not they have not been in circulation for the past couple of years, so I think it's likely that they rolled out of a colletion (yeah, pun intended), or, are part of "The Great American Coin Hunt" (unless the Knitting Ladies in the bleachers are correct, and "they're just worth a nickel each -- spend 'em."

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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Whatever floats your boat, good sir.
     
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  4. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Are you proposing it was struck through a wet duck?

    Please skip the thought experiment stuff. The minting process is well documented and understood. Take a look at www.error-ref.com or www.doubleddie.com and study them. The more you know about the minting process, the easier it will be to distinguish the different types of errors and varieties
     
  5. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Wow those details are SSOOO MUSHED ;)

    Happy Collecting
     
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  6. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    Well, of course I was. How anyone sufficiently literal-minded could think otherwise is a real stumper.

    I'll take that under advisement.

    No, really? Wow... May I quote you?

    Well, believe it or not, I have. And do. Regularly.

    The thing is, I haven't memorized them. Let's just call it one of my countless personal failings and move along, shall we? (BTW, unless there's been a recent update or something obvious to which I'm oblivious, Wexler doesn't "do" issues like this, and doesn't do nickels at all.

    Wow, another keeper for my scrapbook! I'm gonna file it right in between the entries titled, "If you make enough money, you'll be rich" and "Driving off new members keeps a place wholly holy for The Old Guard." (It was either that, or trying to wiggle it into place between "tautology" and "slackology."

    Oh, do I seem a bit... [supply your own epithet]? To that, I reply, "When in Rome!"

    It was just an hour or two ago that I read another "worthless newbie" (there, I saved you the bother) mentioning the hostility that seems rampant here.

    I just can't comprehend why, is all.

    It's as if there's a big welcome mat that's embroidered with, "We welcome one and all! We're here to help you learn about your coins!"

    Then, when someone asks a question, he gets bombarded with everything from "RTFM!" to "It's garbage, you idiot. Go spend it and stop wasting our time."

    Okay... I guess those are "answers" in the most painfully literal sense of the word. But, so are... nope, not gonna say 'em!

    Anyway, yeah, I paraphrased. Took literary license, even. (Simon & Schuster sed I wuz uh reel riter, even paid me those big advance bucks 'n royaltychex. So yeah, I are a licensed literary dood, Ret. Don't try this at home, kids. Someone'll slam ya down before barking out, "RTFM!")
     
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  7. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    Now that you mention it, I think I may be seeing them too! <g>

    Know anyone that can tell me what they are, without taking cheapshots and suggesting a deficiency on my part? If you do, please invite them over! (You never know-- you may some day find a coin like this yourself, and find their friendly assistance to be... um, of assistance.)

    PS: Please don't misunderstand me (it happens in the best of homes). I took your post as a good natured comment.
     
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  8. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    Now that's what I call a truly helpful comment! It's why people come here!
     
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  9. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    You sure do like to rant, huh?
    Your coins are circulated and worn. Perhaps with a bit of grease-filled dies. Other than that, nothing spectacular. If you learn how the minting process works, you will be able to easily recognize them in the future.
     
  10. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    Thanks for trying. Better luck next time, sorry (and we're clean out of lovely consolation prizes. Life can be rough.)

    One picture may be worth a thousand words, but sometimes even a thousand words fall on deaf ears. (Me, I didn't give a you know what's you know what whether or not people read what I wrote, as long as I got paid for it. But now, it's different -- but seemingly hopeless.)

    If you had seen these two coins -- the only two I have ever seen like them in seven decades on this wonderful, wonderful world, and both "coincidentally" found in the same roll, you would immediately realize that rather than being "circulated and worn" they look as if they'd just fallen out of the press -- and landed on a feather pillow.

    This is especially true, if, like many of us, you've had the opportunity to see an actually worn, circulated coin.

    I guess if I could post a hid-def hologram you'd be able to see what someone holding the coins in-hand would see. But, alas, my oscillation overthruster lost its whutchamacallit.

    N.B.: Man, I miss having copy editors to fix my typos!
     
  11. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

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  12. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Those are spenders.
     
  13. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    @furryfrog02 I just realized this was the guy who was disagreeing with Fred W a few months ago. He also posted a question about a nice broadstruck quarter then started going off the rails that it was made from some exotic nickel alloy. I forgot about that and made the mistake of trying to point him towards some reference sites. Should have learned my lesson.

    @Howard Black Sorry to have been a bother. I won’t be responding to your posts anymore.
     
  14. R_rabbit

    R_rabbit Well-Known Member

    Hi:)
    Imho. H.B. , I believe that you over think things sometimes. It’s okay we all do this from time to time.

    Imho, your coins look environmentally worn. The coin on the left looks like it was struck through grease.

    Imho, no two snowflakes are the same.
     
  15. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Judging by the photographs only, they look like typical coins with typical wear for their age. Whatever you are seeing doesn't come through on your photos.
    If you're so sure they are special, you should either submit them to a grading service, or take them to a coin shop you trust, and get an opinion you will trust, and more importantly, an opinion you will believe.
    Thanks for posting.
     
  16. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    I'm glad you took it as a well natured comment, to which it was intended! It didn't come across to me that you were asking for opinions on what these were, but if I had to put in my 2 cents, I'd say they are rather modern to exhibit circulation wear to such a degree as shown on your nickels. I believe a little bit of grease filled in the die, resulting in the mushed details. I also feel that the dies may have been worn down from striking many coins, as I believe I see a little bit of "orange peel" texture.

    I strongly recommend checking out the hyperlinks I left, they (and that site in general) are very helpful for identifying what you may have found, as well as understanding how it is that your coin ended up looking the way it does.

    Hope this helps!
     
  17. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    My guess is that you're trolling.

    But, it's just a guess.

    (My fallback guess is that you're simply being rude, condescending, and playing at being an amateur agent provacateur.)
     
  18. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    Thanks for that opinion.

    Since the consensus seems to be that they're not worth keeping, I guess I'll sell 'em, and let the marketplace determine their value. The hammer knows all...
     
  19. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    Thanks for confabulating two completely different coins into one in an effort to ridicule and dismiss me. Such a glorious welcome mat you lay out for Worthless Noobs like me.

    Promises, promises...
     
  20. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    Well, they apparently don't look anything like they do in the photos. One more time, they show NO evidence of ANY wear at all. I have handled numerous nickels of their vintage, and none, absolutely NONE have looked anything like these two.

    So, perhaps I'll send them off to a TPG, or, maybe I'll just keep them and let my son decide what to do with them when I'm out of everyone's hair (fear not, it probably won't be long now).

    Can't take them to a dealer, since I live a few miles from the middle of nowhere, and my health precludes much travel at all.
     
  21. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    There is plenty of damage/wear that is easily seen in your photos. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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