First Encrusted Clean (attribution help)

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  1. benne911

    benne911 Active Member

    Hello all. This was my first try at cleaning completely Encrusted dirt off an ancient coin. Had to use a dental pick to get it off. I know it isn't the best job but hopefully the skill should eventually get better.

    I'm having trouble making out the letters. Does anyone with experience in ancients recognize the coin. Thanks in advance!
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  3. dougsmit

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    Valentinian II
    The problem IDing it is the small flan lost the VA. Similarly, your reverse is clearly REI PVBLICICE and has a chreat cross Rho Christian symbol but lost the first word and the mintmank. Look at type 39 on this page:
    http://esty.ancients.info/ricix/
    Click on type 39 and go to a page that shows a lot of possibilities but you are missing the parts you really need to take the ID further.
     
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  4. benne911

    benne911 Active Member

    Thanks for the help. As for the job I did do you have any constructive criticism? I enjoy cleaning off the Encrusted coins and am trying to learn good tips. Thanks again.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Do you have an image of before? It looks to me like you did a good job.
     
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  6. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Looks like you did a good job. I see a lot of nice patina and no areas of bare metal.

    As for attribution, I'm glad someone else stepped in, because all I could get was "4th century Roman bronze" due to the chi rho. :)
     
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  7. benne911

    benne911 Active Member

    Unfortunately I didn't take a before picture. Since I am learning I actually thought it was a cull because it showed absolutely no detail after the olive oil soak and brush. I only though about scraping the dirt with a pick after finding a YouTube video of someone cleaning a similar looking crusted coin the same way.
     
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  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Too bad. It would be educational to see the before and after shots together.
     
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  9. benne911

    benne911 Active Member

    It kind of looked like a smooth black disc of metal prior to using the pick
     
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  10. benne911

    benne911 Active Member

    Thanks for the help. I just stumbled across this. It seems like the exact same coin. It's the only place I found the same obverse and reverse - and they seem to be mentioning it with theodosius? http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ca...2&fld=http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Coins/
     
  11. benne911

    benne911 Active Member

    I think the link I just posted may be slightly different looking at it again. I can't seem to find the same coin in any of the pictures
     
  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Have you looked on wildwinds.com?
     
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  13. benne911

    benne911 Active Member

    There are 2 or 3 that look similar, but the obverse legend on my coin seems to run above the head while some others have it more on the side
     
  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I'm heading off to bed, but if no one identifies it by the time I'm up and about, I'll take a look see. Good night one and all.
     
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  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It's really hard to say for sure. Like Doug said, your coin is missing parts that would allow for a positive ID. My inclination would be that it is RIC 86a, Constantinople, but that is only a guess.
     
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  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ca...2&fld=http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Coins/
    I find interesting that the link you posted from a respected seller has an error in ID even though their coin has all the parts. Their text specifies ANTB and Antioch mint but the photo clearly reads SMNB (Sacra Moneta Nicomedia workshop B). Bing may feel comfortable assigning a mint by style but I am not and would leave the coin partly identified rather than chancing being wrong on the details like mint and shop.
     
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