Fakes meant to deceive vs. those that are not

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Numismat, Aug 15, 2015.

  1. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Just picked up a few study pieces. These were purchased from Russia. All three are modern fakes. But there is a distinction to be made between those meant to deceive and those produced to be honestly sold as replicas.

    First, a pair of British halfpennies. These are relatively crude in the details, but still good enough to fool many novice and even some intermediate collectors. They are usually sold as genuine or thrown in with groups of other coins where they get a pass by association.

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    Second, a 1797 "cartwheel" 2 pence. Compared to the first two, this coin has less crude transferred details, convincing patina and is the correct size, weight and material.
    This coin, if the manufacturer intended, would be much more dangerous than the first two, as it would be more convincing and also a much more expensive coin. And yet, this coin was made specifically to be sold a an honest replica. It was made with a glaring difference that would both prevent people from getting fooled and discouraging anyone from selling it as genuine due to a high probability of getting caught.

    The date and legends are in relief, while genuine examples have it incuse.

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  3. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    I would expect to see all of them on ebay, being sold as genuine . :)
     
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  4. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Fakes on ebay, say it ain't so! laughhard.gif
     
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  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    One question, how do ya know they are modern fakes ?

    edit - as opposed to old or contemporary fakes is what I am asking
     
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2015
  6. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    That cartwheel sure would be deceptive if not for the indicating change.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Not if you are familiar with them. Even ignoring the raised lettering it is easy to spot.
     
  8. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    Very true. But that holds with all series.
     
  9. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    For one they were sold as modern copies. Also that blue-gray patina on the halfpennies is common on Russian and Easter European modern copies. It's some chemical they use and then heat the coins to artificially age it.
    I do think they would probably pass as contemporary if advertised as such - a fake of a fake :)
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Thank you :)

    Those are the kind of details that help people learn, but that are often forgotten (fail to be mentioned) by those who have already learned, when discussing such things.

    As with most things in life it's the little things, the bits and pieces of information, that add greatly to the importance and completeness of the whole ;)
     
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