Fake quarter eagle

just found this coin on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262177245004?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Looks fake to me.....but it was a good quality fake.....took me a while to identify it......one alarm was that a 1911 d in ms condition is in the 8000 range....
The BLP above the date is barely legible while on ms coins it's highly visible. Other than that it appears just a touch soft.....couldn't really identify much more than that. I also understand that the quarter Eagles Indians are conterfeited.

 

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Three strikes you're out.... this is the third time you've blown it (twice calling genuine coins fake, and once a fake coin genuine). Questioning a coin is one thing, but your actions thus far have the potential to seriously hurt your fellow collectors. This needs to stop.

 

Guaranteed genuine. You do not need to call false alarms if you do not know what you are talking about.

 

And one of your "alarms" is that the price of a newly listed coin is not yet what you would expect it to auction for?? You do realize how auctions work, right?

 

This isn't even my series and I'd have no problems with bidding on it.

If you can't cook, don't instruct others on how to prepare a soufflé.

 

This a genuine 1911 d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-D-Stro...496557?hash=item3ab6e3f7ad:g:S2wAAOSwstxVRCTt

compare the nose area....look at the luster difference. There's significant differences between these two coins.

According to the pcgs the quarter eagle gold is the most counterfeited gold coin they receive. The get about 2 a month

 

As always, read the books first...

 

Rhoowl,

I want to clarify that my intent was not to be mean or rude to you in my previous post. I've no doubt any of us question your motives, but it's only right to take the greatest care before labeling a coin as fake, especially when available for sale and when providing a link. You unintentionally handicapped this seller's listing by publicly calling the coin a counterfeit, which which has the potential to negatively effect his business, even if chances are slim that it actually will. This, of course, is beyond the potential damage to collectors that can be caused stating shot-in-the-dark opinion as educated fact.

You seem to have a sincere interest in such coins, and are clearly willing to look beyond the surface, so please allow me to offer a few hopefully helpful pointers... Genuine 11-D $2.50s will often display a wire rim on the obverse from about the 11 o'clock to 5ish o'clock positions. Also, on the reverse a scalloping visible near the edge around 11ish o'clock to 1ish o'clock that, if matched exactly to a known genuine specimen, is an excellent indicator of authenticity. While I wouldn't suggest you blindly follow either as absolute (but instead "read the coin"), both are good known markers that can aid in authentication, and are clearly visible on the example in question. Stop focusing on debatable aspects (especially in images) and instead focus on the factual and verifiable.

 

Your arguments are illogical and your example's pics are terrible. I agree with the consensus that the first listing is a genuine $2.50 1911 D, in AU condition. Possibly MS if the grader is in a good mood that day, but low on the spectrum.

Research the following: "How auctions work." "How lighting and camera angle effect images." "Libel."

 

Bookb4coin....that is not what the pcgs says is an indicator for counterfeiting this coin

http://www.pcgs.com/News/Indian-Head-Quarter-Eagles-King-Of-The-Counterfeit-Gold-Coin

Granted I understand that there are photographic errors here...and try to look past them.....but the luster is definitely off....there are depressions....especially around the nose.....appears to be some problems in the base of the neck.....plus other detail problems.

 

So because PCGS claims to see two fakes a month, it somehow makes this coin a fake too, or is it your mix of assumption and conjecture that does? No one here can reasonably deny the existence of fakes, but that doesn't mean any coin you personally question must automatically be one. Are we really supposed to believe that these supposed "counterfeiters" were somehow able to get everything right about that coin yet magically screw up on the nose and luster, or could it be that you're misinterpreting what you're seeing? What are these other "significant differences" you speak of? Again, focus on the verifiable... on facts, and at least try to understand that images can be deceiving.

It seems to me that you've already convinced yourself the coin is fake, and are now grasping in an attempt to prove yourself right. It's certainly good that you're, at the very least, now comparing coins of the same type, date, and mint before labeling them fake, but there's still immense room for improvement. Labeling a genuine coin fake can be just as harmful as calling a clear fake a genuine piece, and you've now covered both bases.

 

The coin looks real to me. Has a couple rubs and scratches on the reverse but I see no red flags that it's fake

 

I must agree, there is nothing that coin that appears counterfeit from any other Indian Gold piece.... quiet a beautiful coin in my opinion

 

The point I am making is that any quarter eagle Indian should be closely scrutinized since they are the most faked gold coin......I typically don't buy them.

The surface of this coin is totally uniform without a speck of dirt on it....the face and field have the same luster.....the surface does not appear to be smooth at all. Both sides have exactly the same luster

That should lead you to believe you may have a problem coin.

 

I believe you're stretching now.

The surface of the coin is clean is because it's Mint State, the face and field are well struck and again.... Mint State condition, and what do you expect of a coin that old..... it's going to have a few condition issues, hence it's not a MS70. Every "issue" you pointed out does nothing for me and I would be more then happy to own that coin. Furthermore.... it is more then clear to all member who have posted in this thread that you know nothing when it comes to these coins and there's coin reason as to why you don't buy these.... because you believe everyone is fake.
Time to say "Uncle" I think

 

Maybe this is my missing 1911-D

Or is this set all fakes ?

 

That's a nice article, but proves NOTHING. I'm also guessing this is why you now have concerns with the back of the neck; the power of suggestion is alive and well. The article wasnt intended to be used as a guide for authentication, sir. You need to understand what you're reading.

As for what PCGS says as an "indicator for counterfeiting", of course not... because that's NOT what they are. Again, you need to understand what you're reading. Have you even bothered to verify the two known identifiers clearly visible on this supposed "counterfeits"? Have you bothered to compare the scalloping to see that it is a, not close or similar, but perfect match to known genuine pieces? Again, the "counterfeiters" must be an impressive bunch to be able to masterfully replicate such intricate and unintended detail, yet screw up, to your eyes only, on the obvious.

With all due respect, sir; I sincerely hope you're not typically buying anything unless pre-screened by a capable dealer, or coming directly from a reputable auction firm. Ebay isn't a place for you to buy unless from select individuals. Again, this is at least the third time within a few weeks tops that you've completely blown an authenticity call, and by your own estimates, on coins totaling nearly ten thousand dollars. That's a significant amount of money by anyone's measure, so such claims, when presented as fact, do not warrant a blind eye turned. What you're doing can harm others, sir. You told an inexperienced seller his clear fake was worth $400, and if you can't see the danger in that, to both this individual and his potential buyers, there's a big problem here.

As for your now-claimed point, that's not true either. The title of this very thread starts with "fake", and this certainly does not suggest just a simple warning to be cautious or to scrutinize potential purchases.

 

You're the one who was rude here.......I never said a fake was worth 400....I was commenting about three coins.....one was determined to be fake....I said bring 300 and a loupe to check out the other coins.

I started the discussion by looks fake.....that is not a claim of being fake.

It seems you like to use the straw man argument

 

Of course, any Indian gold should be closely scrutinized. The propensity for counterfeiters to latch on to this design is well known. Several veterans on here, including an outstanding dealer, have told you that the coin is genuine. They are expert enough to speak. I am not, so I keep my mouth shut on these types of threads and read and try to learn.

Maybe you should try that