fake morgan

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by gubni, Apr 9, 2013.

  1. gubni

    gubni Active Member

    I ordered some fake morgans from China so I could learn the difference. At first glance they look great. It is not magnetic. On the scale they are 2g lite. Below is a list of things I noticed.

    1. The point of the neck extends almost to the edge which is a good bit different than a real morgan.
    2. The date is crooked. It's an 1888 and the 1 is closer to the edge than the last 8.
    3. The edge of the coin where it's reeded was very lightly stamped.
    4. The coin is thicker than other morgans.
    5. When tossing it on a table it seems to have a higher ring and bounce more than a real morgan. This wasn't very obvious to me, but after several times I was able to tell the difference.

    I know pics would go along ways, but at least here are a few things to look for.
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    You might want to consider deleting #2. There are tens of thousands of Morgans with a slanted date because they were punched by hand.

    Chris
     
  4. gubni

    gubni Active Member

    When I did the rare earth magnet test by sliding it at 45* angle it slid like it was on plastic.

    Thanks for the info about the date.
     
  5. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Peripheral Member

    Don't want to appear uninformed, but WHAT rare earth magnet test?

    I unnerstand that many fake 'silver' items are magnetic (contain iron/steel) to some extent; and I'm familiar with the intense properties of those magnets, all out of proportion to their size...but the '45* angle part is new to me.

    Explain, please? Thanks!
     
  6. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    I think gubni is referring to this:

    [video=youtube;eRxfwPIo8XM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRxfwPIo8XM[/video]
     
  7. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Peripheral Member

    GOOD!

    I don't see how the genuine Morgan accounts for the gradual descent down the inclined face while a fake with some ferrous content allows zip-fast movement, unless hysteresis has something to do with it.

    Silver & copper are very good conductors of electricity (as iron is not so good) so the speed difference would be a resultant of the way each alloy interacted with the rare earth magnet; and the silver/copper of the genuine creates a stronger hysteresis current (hence more attraction) than the fakes.

    My electrical/magnetic training is 50 years old, and it didn't go into these particular aspects of alloys...so all this is conjecture.

    I have a feeling there's something subtle but important in this angled magnetic test, though...and I like it. Thanks!
     
  8. gubni

    gubni Active Member

    A rare earth magnet will slide slowly on a real silver coin, but on a fake it slide fast.
     
  9. Ruben

    Ruben Member

    Wont a genuine silver coin have a much different ring when tapped, vs a duller sound with a fake?
     
  10. Limited1

    Limited1 New Member

    Are they uncirculated or artificially worn? How about toned?
     
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