Facing Emperors

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by 7Calbrey, May 27, 2016.

  1. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I suspect the 2 Emperors on this coin's obverse are Philip I and his son Philip II. The reverse shows a temple with a possible deity inside. Delta- Epsilon through fields, and SC in exergue. The coin weighs 14.54 g. I still need to clean it a little bit. Please post your views if you guess. Thanks.. Two Emp O 001.jpg Two Em R 001.jpg
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    By "please post your views", do you mean "please post the attribution"?

    Try the method I outlined in one of Paschka's threads:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/id...t-or-uncle-with-a-helmet.279021/#post-2427131

    Try this using the search terms "AE, confronted, temple". I think you'll find your answer that way. The pair of emperors is not who you guessed.

    On your coin you can see enough of the legends to allow you to confirm the identification once you see a better example in CNG's archives.
     
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  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    This is more than a small clue. We see it commonly on silver of the city.
     
  5. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The city is Antioch. The 2 Roman Emperors are father and son. I'm not guessing Septim and Carac. BTW.. Can a Sestertius weigh only 14.54 g.? I think the pair of Emperors therein are not so important as the deity within the temple. That's fun as well.. May Astarte forgive me.
     
  6. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I searched at CNG Archives and found that the concerned Emperors are likely to be Macrinus and his son Diadumenian. I'll keep on searching. Thank you TIF.
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Keep searching. Another clue is the radiate crown on the younger head. You should not use the word sestertius for a coin you know was not Roman mint denominations. It will be found among the Provincial bronzes of a father and son not quite as popular as the ones you have mentioned so far. Some sellers might assign it a value in assaria but most listings will just say AE followed by the diameter which could vary from coin to coin a bit. You did not tell us what yours is but just becauses yours is AE29 does not mean there are not matching ones AE30 or weighing several grams more than yours.
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    In case someone thinks it is weird: At this time Antioch had an Imperial mint making antoniniani and a Provincial mint making coins like yours.
     
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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    It is not Macrinus and Diadumenian nor is it an Imperial issue, so the term "sestertius" does not apply.

    Matching coins can be found by following the specific instructions I posted earlier in this thread. You'll need to check each tab in the CNG search results (coin shop, e-auctions, print auctions) and be sure to scroll through all of the hits.
     
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  10. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    So far, I gathered 4 possibilities:
    Romulus, son of Maxentius _ Nigrinian, son of Carinus
    Carus, son of Numerian _ Titus, son of Vespasian
    Hope one of them fits.
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    You knew enough to guess Philip in the first place but you refuse to mention the other father/son pairs near their time. Why? Style is everything and this coin screams the time period that produced it. That rules out Titus and Romulus (actually all the last bunch). Go back to Philip and ask who came immediately before and after. That will fail. Then take it one more step and rule out the next step away from Philip. Keep going until you find the coin. There is one on acsearch not much, if any, better than yours.

    I recently posted a solo Provincial coin of the kid here.
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    BTW, as so often is the case, the most clear legend here is the reverse right side which reads (in Greek) Metropolis. The left side says Antioch.
     
  13. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Charles, here are screen shots of finding your coin using the steps I laid out in my first response to this post. Let me know if there is something unclear about how I instructed you to find the answer. I feel like I am not communicating effectively with you; maybe this photographic tutorial will help you find your next unknown without our help.

    Step 1: Go to CNG's archives, type basic search terms from what you can see on the coin. For your coin, I've used "AE, confronted, temple". Type them in the "search" box:

    Screen Shot 2016-05-27 at 2.36.39 PM.jpg

    Step 2: Notice that there may be "hits" in several locations. You have to click each of those links to see the results within each of those locations. In this screen cap, I am viewing results from the the eAuctions:

    Screen Shot 2016-05-27 at 2.36.52 PM.jpg

    I kept scrolling, looking for similar coins. You can see some coins like yours in this screen shot:

    Screen Shot 2016-05-27 at 2.37.18 PM.jpg
     
  14. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Hi. I think I found the result before clicking to view the last reply of TIF. I noticed it at Wildwinds while deeply and thouroughly searching all coins of Antioch. It's Trebonianus Gallus and Volusian. SNG Cop 293.
     
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  16. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I see why you're crying Steve. Don't worry. There are many methods that would lead to the same result. I already tried and learned the method or tips of sister TIF based on CNG Archives. It won't be too long before I master her clever way of searching. Cheers.
     
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  17. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Cheers, coinbro :)
     
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