Ever seen a DMPL Morgan like this?

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  1. Kevo

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  3. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I think it's just reflection from the devices onto the field. If it were on Ebay I might say it looks like someone did a poor Photoshop job.
    Guy
     
  4. Lugia

    Lugia ye olde UScoin enthusiast

    thats a 64? ive got better looking 64s then that.
     
  5. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I have seen DMPLs like that before... I'm not sure exactly what causes it... but I have seen it.
     
  6. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I seem to recall seeing other DMPLs like this too.
     
  7. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    I have a DMPL like that...

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    Photos taken by Todd... world-class photos.

    I believe it's a byproduct of the polishing process for the dies. I'm thinking that the dies were pulled before the fields became completely mirrored, because PL and DMPL's only exist due to screw ups where someone left the dies in the thing that polished them for too long.

    At least that's my understanding/theory.
     
  8. Kevo

    Kevo Junior Member

    Its kinda neat i think, but imo a little distracting on the teletrade piece. Merc, yours is a looker indeed.
     
  9. Vroomer2

    Vroomer2 Active Member

    If you have concerns and want to get rid of your coins, you can send them to me, free of charge. ;)
     
  10. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    Very typical Morgan Die polish that leaves a halo effect:

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  11. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I always thought this effect was caused by die erosion, i.e. the fields starting to "refrost"???
     
  12. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    Interesting thought, I have assumed die polishing since there are so many DMPL's with this look, being they are either fresh dies or freshly polished.
     
  13. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    I thought this at first too, but why don't we ever see Morgans with patches of DMPL or PL reflection surrounded by regular finish? That's the only thing that steers me away from that theory.

    Thanks, it's probably my single favorite coin I own.

    Blu's DMPL's are just drop dead gorgeous, though.
     
  14. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    Wow! MS64? Looks, to me, to be more like an MS62/MS63DMPL. Lots and lots of bag marks in the fields take away from the overall eye appeal of the DMPL and I would think a TPG would knock it down a grade or two for this. Either way, it's a nice coin. :)

    -Brian
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's not caused by die polishing (but it is related to it indirectly) or by die erosion. It's caused when the die is prepared though. The reason the devices on coins have frost is because the devices were sandblasted or etched with acid. And after the devices were sandblasted, then the dies were polished one last time to remove any effects that ran outside the devices. So when you see frost like this outside the devices it's because they missed a spot, they didn't polish it all away.

    Even though they don't use sandblasting anymore (they now use lasers) the same mistake occurs occasionally even today. There was an article about some modern examples with the effect not long ago.
     
  16. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    Question for you..... where was this part of the die work done? I ask because I see the look more on CC dollars than other dollars.
     
  17. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    I don't care what anyone says, DMPL Morgans are just simply beautiful.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    In Philly, all the dies were prepared in Philly and then sent to the branch mints. The branch mints would then add their own mint mark. Die polishing after use to repair clashed or damaged dies was done at the branch mints as well. But that's about all the branch mints ever did.
     
  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Mintmarks were added at Philadelphia. I don't believe the branch mints did their own hardening of the dies and they would not have been able to punch mintmarks into a hardened die. The acid etching was the result of the cleaning needed after the hardening process to remove the oxidation and scale left from the heating. The initial polishing was the result of basining or lapping the dies to provide the proper metal flow on the presses the individual mints were using. The mints did not all use the same presses and from my understanding different presses needed the dies basined to different curvatures to get the right metal flow. Since each mint would be more familiar with their own presses it would make more sense for them to do their own basining. The extent of the PL effect would be a function of the amount of polishing and the fineness of the grit used.
     
  20. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    Looks like a great one. And I too have seen many of these and love them.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    For the most part yes. But the fact that over-mint marks even exists shows that the branch mints could, and did add mint marks.

    I agree, in regard to the PL effect of the fields. But the question was what caused the frosted effect on some portions of the field adjoining the devices. And since the frosted effect was caused by the acid etching or sandblasting, the only reason for any to remain on the fields is if it was not polished away afterwards. Like I said, them missing a spot is the only explanation for it.
     
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