In contrast in this time of great crisis and divisions I propose instead an internal 2-euro commemorative coin with design policy (but texts) to commemorate the 25 th anniversary of the European Union of 2017 .. I hope you enjoy the idea. Ps / I have purposely omitted the names and national symbols in full because, speaking precisely of "union", indicate the number of small states seemed inappropriate. Only the small states that are not part of the union with a slight coat of arms... I await your comments on this, thank you all http://www.webalice.it/annovi.frizio/p_eurofantasy28.html -- :Idea:
I'd think it'll be a smaller area. EITHER: The 'big guns' will withdraw (Germany, France), or more likely, the peripheral nations will be ousted (by the "tough" Germans, etc), such as Greece (100%) and possibly Portugal, Ireland and Italy. Who knows though? The €urocrats are both pig-headed and stubborn enough to prolong the agony at ANY cost (even if nations are brought down). Maybe it will survive intact. They need to realise their "big utopian dream" does not work in practice.
perhaps the one good thing tony blair did for the uk was to keep us out of the euro, or else we would be in the same boat as the others.
lol : well, we see what we see! Maybe if PIIGS were to get out of the €uro, or the 'strong' countires get out, there could be hope. But you can't bind 17 nations into one currency when they differ so much in economic structure, discipline and culture. The EU as a whole is flawed because Brussels (in Belgium - a country with no history!!) tries to force its bland and awful ways on countries with rich traditions of history. That's just what I think ... (and also what I hear from those I know in England).
hope ok, but I always hope for a better future, and I always hope in a truly united Europe. What's wrong?
Most of the members here are British or Americans. Hmm, what could that possibly mean when it comes to the views about the euro that you will read here? Of course nobody knows where the EU and the euro will be in 2017, but celebrating the 25th anniversary of the European Union ("qua" the Maastricht Treaty) is a good idea in my opinion. As for your design(s), I already mentioned elsewhere that I like the design with the "Flowing Hair Europa" (better than the "acrobat" version), and the idea for the background, with varying pieces of stars, is good too. Also, since the image of Europa on the bull is not terribly big, it leaves enough room for the "text spiral", no matter whether that has many or few characters. My only problem with these common issues is that of a collector who "has" to get 17 (or more, depending on the number of euro area member states and the mints) versions which, even though you added some background variety, would still have the same design. Some of them I would hardly get at face value ... Christian
It could mean that we can offer a view from the outside, looking in. It will certainly be interesting what happens over the next year or so. "We live in interesting times" That being said, I do think that design is quite nice for a €uro coin. Personally, I only have a proof set from the Netherlands (2006) and Ireland (2006 and 2007). I should really go about getting a set (Unc or Proof) from all the nations ... As a matter of interest - do many coins from either Cyprus or Malta tend to turn up where you are or not?
Wonder what will happen to the value of my euro conversion coin sets if the euro fails :smile. As for the coin it looks good I think an updated image of europa with country names around her would be good rather than image of Europa and the bull. Here is french euro conversion coin with europa, BTW also check out Spain 250 Euro coin from 2003. http://www.modernpreciouscoins.com/Fr_Coins.html
Sure, except that, for some reason, eurobashing occurs a lot in the UK and the US whereas people in other non-euro countries (e.g Denmark and Sweden) tend to have a different attitude: Quite possibly skeptical, but less aggressive as far as I can tell. Maybe this has something to do with the overall attitude of British and Americans when it comes to things EU, maybe it has different reasons. What I like about Frizio's "2017" design is that it tries to be a little different for each euro area member state. After all, these common issues have exactly the same design, except for the country name and language. The 2009 "stickman" coins for example ... brrr. And next year's common issue - well, at least the design is better in my opinion. (Here is an image of the German piece.) Now Frizio takes the "same design for all" concept into account, but by allowing for some variety in the "background", it looks more interesting and less monotonous. As for Cyprus and Malta, I hardly ever come across coins from there. Once in a while, yes, but certainly not often. I am in DE, close to NL, and most of the coins I see are from here and from other (big and/or neighboring) countries. The Irish euro coins - well, I have them (by type) but do not find them all that attractive as Ireland decided to use one single design for all eight denominations. Christian
Christian Yes, I think that's about right. Also, factor in the UK's "island mentality", and that would explain it! I think that not being physically connected to the 'mainland' also factors in. That, plus the nation's pride in its long history (as compared, for example, to some of the more modern countries, Belgium - 150 years, unified Italy - 150/200 years, etc). Of course, France and the UK go back a long way (at least to 1066!!). The USA's attitude probably stems from the super-power mindset, I'd imagine ... that's when they take an interest in such things. I come across many people here that think the UK is in the €. I also have an Irish 'starter kit' and some loose Irish € coins. What I'd like to do is be able to visit somewhere where I can use and spend them!! That would mean that I'd be on ... "holiday" - fancy that! Let's hope it's soon ...
Sounds like a good idea, except that Europa would need some kind of attribute then. When she sits on a bull, she is instantly recognizable. Her figure or head alone could theoretically be the personification of various countries ... Adding the name of the issuing member state would on one hand make sense (that has been done with the two previous common issues, and will be done on next year's pieces) but would also make the obverse pretty "full". Keep in mind that, as the ring is reserved for the Stars of Europe, only the "pill" (the golden central part of the piece) can be used for the actual design. In another forum I suggested using the country codes (DE for Germany, FI for Finland, etc.) instead of full names; some euro countries do that anyway. Hope you can do that one day! :thumb: And yes, "neighborhood" is a major factor when it comes to sharing a currency. Later today, for example, I will be in the Netherlands for a couple of hours. If the two countries had different currencies, it would still be doable of course, but a little more cumbersome. Similarly, I read that quite a few in southern Finland were happy when Estonia joined the currency union. Not only because it makes buying booze in Riga, or on the ferry, easier but also because, until a year ago, their geographic position in Euroland was kind of isolated ... Christian
Oh, I am sure "the markets" and the rating agencies will find a way to deal with this. Has worked "fine" so far ... Christian
