Estimate survival rate of keys...

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Doug21, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    lets take stuff from the same era like:

    09-s, 09-svdb , 14-d cents

    13-s T2 5cent

    16-d dime

    16 SLQ

    etc.

    I know it varies, 09-s being first year gets saved more, buffalo might get date worn off, etc.

    What's left 10%, 25% ? of the original mintage.
     
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  3. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    '09-S.......35%
    '09-S VDB..50%
    '14-D.......25%
    '13-S T 2...15%
    '16-D.......35%
    '16 25c.....10%
     
  4. DJCoinz

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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    A little high, especially the S VDB.
     
  6. Shortgapbob

    Shortgapbob Emerging Numismatist

    I will say that the 09-S VDB is fairly available for a high dollar, key date coin. They are not difficult to locate if you are willing to spend the money on them.
     
  7. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector


    There's no question that most indicators say you're right but I've always believed
    that there are a lot of coins out there that just don't get reported or slabbed. The
    16-D dime has long been a case study for me because fewer than 15% can be ac-
    counted for in slabs. This is a coin that should normally be graded when sold since
    there are so many fakes out there yet pops are extremely low. The coin had sub-
    stantial value during its useful life so people would put a lot of effort into retrieving
    them when lost. The bulk were removed from circulation before 1940 before they
    had a chance for the date to be worn off. Losses beyond normal attrition should be
    low.

    The '09-S VDB was perhaps estimated a little high to make a point. There can be a
    dramatic difference in how coins are saved and protected. The 1883 w/o c 5c for
    instance is easily found in high grade because so many were hoarded by the public.
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Cladking:
    I agree and there is always hoarding of the first and last date of any series (or variety as people did with the 1883 w/o cents that you mentioned).
    but, a 50% survival rate?
    And I agree, there are a lot of pieces that are not slabbed out there, remember the NYC subway hoard, they had about 600 1916 D mercs. (I forget the exact number, but it was a heck of a lot.)
     
  9. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    As I said I was estimating high.

    I'd figure about 75% were immediately pulled out and set aside. The rest disappeared
    gradually from circulation until fewer than .5% remained in 1940. Those in circulation
    probably had about a 3% attrition and those set aside about 2% until it dropped to
    around .75% by the end of the war and the price was significant.

    I'm not gonna do the math but that would be lower than 50%.
     
  10. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    09-s 40%
    09-s vdb 25%
    14-d 15%
    13-s tyII 10%
    16-d 50%
    16 slq 5%
     
  11. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    now to change it up a bit:

    How many 1955 DD are left ?

    I'm thinking like 80-90 %.... where would they go ? Don't go by grading service #'s.... has there ever been a fake ? You can keep this one raw, unlike a 16-d dime, that I think needs a slab.

    Now an 1895-o dime

    might just be a lot rarer than 16-d, but cheaper, as few collect Barber dimes by date.

    maybe under 10% left ?... 5% ? I don't know mintage off the top off my head, too lazy to look it up, but those Barbers circulated until they were wafer thin.
     
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