Elagabalus RIC question

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Smojo, Dec 11, 2016.

  1. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    First this coin is really rough which coupled with my extrordinary photography skill makes for an even less desireable thing to look at.
    I'm attempting to attribute this but have come to a fork in the road.

    Elagabalus, AR Denarius
    21mm, 4.1g, 218 AD
    IMP CAES M AVR ANTONINVS AVG
    laureate, draped cuirassed bust right
    PONTIF MAX TR D Roma seated left holding victory and spear
    20161210_201454.jpg
    My question is is it RIC 8 or RIC 8b?

    I'm thinking b for 2 I think obvious reasons. All on the reverse.
    1) the pronounced MA on MAX.
    2) the helmet style
    Then this is were I'm not sure. Is that a sheild next to her? It should be kinda right below the seat.

    Thanks for your input! Seeing Parthicus thread got me pondering.
    Oh yeah, share whatever you have.
     
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  3. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    There is only a RIC 8, no RIC 8b. The B which you are talking about probably refers to the obverse bust type, which RIC lists as either B (head right, laureate, bust draped) or D ((head right, laureate, bust draped and cuirassed)

    Yes, it is a shield. The description from RIC "Roma seated l., holding Victory and sceptre; by her side, shield."
     
  4. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Was thinking samething. Wildwinds has RIC 8 with 5 examples then lists an 8b
    With right facing bust on both
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My impression is that the style of this coin just is not 'right' for the official mint of that period and the chance of it being a barbarous/unofficial copy is present. There are solid (non-fourree) imitations from this period that may vary a bit in style from regular mint product. I do not know a specialist in Elagabalus to ask. I would just call it an RIC 8 and leave it at that. This volume of RIC lists bust types all together with the same number. In this case there is a b and a d of which this looks like b but it is not a case where I would feel obligated to quote the b like I would if there were numbers inserted. This is not handled consistently even in RIC IV with its committee of authors each doing things 'their way'.
     
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