Eastern Islamic Bargain Bin

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  1. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Hey guys (and girls), I picked up a couple of cheapie eastern islamic coin, could some of you eastern experts check my attribution? @Ancientnoob @THCoins @Quant.Geek ? or anyone else for that matter...I'd very much appreciate it. :D


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    This small AR coin is only 10 mm and 0.7g. I think it's a Amirs of Sind coin, about 10th century? About right? Sind is in modern Pakistan.




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    Delhi sultanate ca 1300? 15 mm and 3.7 g. This coin is kind of pretty. If I'm correct, the barely visible legend on the outside of the reverse is nagari, the rest would be arabic.

    Also, are my obverse/reverse correct and oriented properly?


    Post any islamic coins of the east!
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Cool century ... very rare

    Sadly, I only have a fourree example of Nicephorus-II Phocas and a legit example of Leo VI (the wise) from that coin-century

    => that's a cool/sweet coin-century!!

    I love ya , coin-bro (great new addition)

    :rolleyes:
     
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  4. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    ahhaha! i have a few of these coins, but i'm sure not qualified to answer any questions, but wish i could...
     
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  5. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Pretty sure your Delhi Sultanate coin is of Alauddin Khilji Muhammad Shah (1296–1316). He was an important Sultan because of his many victories over the Mongols, thus preventing them from overrunning India. (And yes, the orientation is pretty much correct; also the obverse and reverse identification.)
     
  6. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    The attribution of the first one to the Amirs of Sindh is correct. The name of the ruler is in the bottom line of the right photo. That is not very well readable but i think it is Abd'Allah.

    The total text reads : La illaha illa /Allah wahadu / la sherika lahu
    Right picture: Muhammad / rasul / Allah al-amir / Abd'Allah
     
  7. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Awesome, thanks you guys! @THCoins and @Severus Alexander I'm getting a bit better at figuring these out, but no way I would have nailed exactly what they were.
     
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  8. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I have a Delhi sultanate coin, but mine is square. These Delhi coins are real bargains. I got mine dirt cheap.


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    Ud Din Mubarak
    BI 4-Ghani
     
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  9. dougsmit

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    This came to me as a Habbiri of Sind but I do not read either language and have no idea beyond that. WIKI lists seven rulers but I have no idea if any are named, or for that matter what is said in general. I bought this coin (cheap) thinking the very clear legends would be easy to ID. It was not for me.
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  10. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    Almost ! His name (or actually this is called a Laqab) was Qutb-ud-din Mubarak Shah.
    Saying these Delhi coins are cheap is just like saying Roman coins are cheap. Some indeed are. But there are some very expensive types. The circle of collectors is just a bit smaller. Note that when you see these cheap ones in bright silver then they are usually resilvered recently by Indian coin dealers who like their coins shiny.

    Doug's coin also looks like a Habbarid specimen but the script almost looks like cuneiform. With some effort one can recognise the same text as i gave earlier. The name of the ruler is off flan though. This one may be genuine. But more than a decade ago a lot of these came on the market with even worse script. These are generally considered to be modern tourist fakes.
     
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  11. THCoins

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    Here another example of a very common Delhi sultanate coin.
    This is a so-called forced Tanka, issued under Muhammad bin Tughluq (1325-51AD).
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    This is an remnant of a failed economic experiment. Muhammad bin Tughluq tried to replace the silver coinage by a copper token coinage, which people were supposed to accept at the value of the former silver coins.
    The people did not like this, and the sultan was forced to abandon the project.
    The coin above actually is copper. It should be dark brown. Likely some modern Indian cointrader also did not like this, or tried to make a quick buck. Anyhow, this coin has modern resilvering. I actually do not mind, looks nice and also gives some corrosion protection.
     
  12. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    ahhh...i suspected as much. the seller of my second coin listed it as "silvered", i thought it may have been done recently...being so shinny. i'll make a note of that on my paper insert.
     
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  13. THCoins

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    Your coin will be silver, but only about 20 %. The natural surfaces normally look dull grey:
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  14. Severus Alexander

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    My version of the OP is very coppery... but maybe a different denomination. (I'm very unclear on Delhi Sultanate denominations.)

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  15. THCoins

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    Severus' coin looks OK. These coins vary from very coppery to nice silver.
    As a bonus the last one shows the year in the margin from 12 o'clock. The last character is excecuted a bit poorly, but it is either 706 or 708AH.
     
  16. Severus Alexander

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    Cool, thanks! I didn't know about the date. That puts this coin at pretty much the height of his power, and just as he was finally breaking the back of the Mongol invasions.
     
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