EARLIEST Spread-Wing EAGLES

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    In a previous thread, some had asked HOW EARLY WERE SPREAD-WING EAGLES were shown on a coin.

    Please post your EARLIEST SPREAD-WING EAGLES

    Shows that today's coins copy the designs from Ancient coins.

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    Sicily Akragas AE Trias 23mm 8.5g 287-241 BCE Beardless Zeus Hellanios 2 Eagles tearing at rabbit hare in talons HGC 2 159


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    Egypt Ptolemy II 285-274 BCE AE Obol 20mm 6.7g Alex III Eagle Tbolt Plain SV 601


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    Pontos Amisos AE21 8g 95-90 BCE Zeus - Eagle Tbolt SNG BM Black Sea 1221-5 - Eng Collection



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    RR Plaetorius Cest 67 BCE AR Den Helmtd Diety quiv cornuc S-C Eagle tbolt S 349 Cr 409-1


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    US CWT AE Cent CE 1863 Eagle - Carpeles Dry Goods Groceries Waterloo Wis Coin no 1


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    American Gold Eagle


    Please post your EARLIEST SPREAD-WING EAGLES
     
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  3. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    My earliest spread wing eagles are from the Roman era.

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    Roman Antioch. Nero AD 54-68. AR Tetradrachm.

    Eagle03b-small.jpg Augustus AE As. Struck under Tiberius
    Rome Mint. AD 34-37
    Obv: DIVVS AVGVSTVS PATER
    Rev: Eagle standing facing on globe, head right; S-C across field.
     
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  4. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Excellent examples! Loving that elephant hat wearing ATG:artist:
    Here's my earliest from 420-406 BCE
    Sicily, Akragas. Tetras
    10.35 g), ca. 420-406 BC. AKPA, eagle right, head lowered to devour hare held in talons; in left field, crab right. Reverse Crab; below, three pellets above crayfish left. CNS 50; SNG ANS 1037; HGC 2, 140. Rare. Glossy dark chocolate brown patina.

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  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Can't believe it but my earliest spread wing is Elagabalus.

    Elagabalus, 218-222 A.D., Antioch, Seleucis and Pieria
    AR Tetradrachm, struck 218-220 A.D., 25mm 12.02 grams

    Obverse: Laureate head of Elagabalus right
    AVT K M A ANTONEINOC CEB

    Reverse: Eagle standing left, wreath in beak, star between legs, delta epsilon in field
    DH MARC EX UPATOC TO B

    Reference: Prieur 249A; McAlee 760

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  6. TuckHard

    TuckHard Well-Known Member

    It looks like this is my earliest coin with an eagle with spread wings.

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    Elymais
    Phraates I | c. 150 CE
    AE Drachm | 3.79 grams
    Obv: Bearded bust facing, crescent moon with pellet right and anchor
    Rev: Eagle facing left with four crescent moons around

    And then I have these two Ptolemaic Egpytian AE Chalkon's that I haven't been able to pinpoint but I believe they are from Ptolemaios VI, c. 170-145 BCE.
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    8.67g | 20mm | 4mm thick
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    8.22g | 22mm wide | 3mm thick​
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Messana

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    Sicily Mamertini 288-278 BCE AE Pentonkion Mars-Eagle Mercenary Samnites Messana
     
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  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Here is my earliest and my newest eagles:

    Earliest:
    Sicily, Akragas
    AE Tetras
    Before 406 BC
    Obverse: AK-PA, eagle right, tearing at hare
    Reverse: Crab; three dots and shrimp left below.
    (this coin deserves new pictures I think!)
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    Newest:
    Trebonianus Gallus
    AR tetradrachm
    Antioch, Syria
    251-253 AD
    Obverse: AYTOK K Γ OYIB TΡEB ΓAΛΛOC CEB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind, S beneath bust
    Reverse: ΔHMAΡX EΞOYCIAC YΠATO B, eagle standing right, head and tail left, wings spread, wreath in its beak; Δ between legs, SC in ex
    ex: @Valentinian
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  9. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    The most majestic eagle I have depicted on a coins is posted below :D. This eagle has the leg of a sacrificial animal in it's talons, most likely a hare's leg. It's amazing how many different cultures were in awe of the eagle. Living in upstate NY we frequently see these magnificent creatures when driving on country roads :happy:.

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    The most famous depiction of eagles can be seen on the Akragas Decadrachms & Tetradrachms, c. 412 BC. Alagandron posted a slightly later version of this design on a bronze coin of Akragas.

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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Of the Greek ones shown, this unidentified one seems the only one with what I would call the heraldic pose (breast facing, head to one side). It would be great to know what the engraver of the first US eagle design had seen when he adapted the type. I would suspect that might be a matter of record if he kept a diary. I do love the early Akragas design with side view eagles but it did not serve as the model coin.

    This AR obol (11mm, 0.52g) of Cilicia (uncertain or Tarsos???) does not count because the bird is only 3/4 facing and does not have the reverted head. I only show it because it is 4th century and unlike what has been shown above.
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    Ryro did show but did not label this type from Apameia, Phrygia. The AE22 shows the eagle alighting on a maenander pattern and is flanked by the caps of the Dioscuri. Again, it is not close enough to the US type to claim copyright infringement.
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    Gordian III, Valerian, Aurelian and Carus got the head reverted part right on Alexandrian tetradrachms.
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    Still, the best I have seen are the Syrian tetradrachms of Caracalla through Trebonianus Gallus. These are common enough that I would expect any 18th century die cutter to have seen the type.
    Caracalla, Antioch, head right
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    and Caracalla, head left from Akko Ptolemos
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    Other US coins used 3/4 eagles which date back much further but I believe the most likely coin that inspired the first US birds was a Roman Provincial.
     
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  11. Edessa

    Edessa Well-Known Member

    Celtic Britian. Catuvellauni & Trinovantes, Epaticcus, AD 35-43. AR Unit (13mm, 1.20g, 9h). Obv: EPPATI; Head of Hercules right, wearing lion skin headdress; pellet in ring behind. Rev: Eagle standing facing, head left, on snake; pellet in ring above. Ref: Hobbs 2024; Van Arsdell 580-1; SCBC 356. Ex-CNG.

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  12. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Thanks Doug and beautiful Phrygian! And sorry for my laziness. I was just showing off a couple others I had with the Sicilian being my oldest.
    The very well patinated ;) coin is:
    Perseus

    (179-168 BC).Bronze. Pella or Amphipolis.Vs: Head of Perseus with Phrygian helmet and Harpa over the shoulder right.Rs: B-A. Eagle on lightning bundles standing to the left, head turned right; In the field left monogram, in the section Sigma. 19 mm. 6.01 g.HGC 3, 1099. rare.
     
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  13. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Interesting !

    My earliest :

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    Syracuse Hiketas 288-279 BC
    Head of Zeus hellanios right
    ΣΙΡΑΚ ΟΣΙΩΝ. Eagle left, wings open, star and A in field
    8.95 gr, 23 mm
    Ref : Sear # 1212

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  14. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...here's Perseus with open wings...and keeping him company in this pic is Hereinnus Etruscus..(don't ask me why:rolleyes:) perseus herinnius coins 002.JPG perseus herinnius coins 003.JPG
     

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  15. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Very nice eagles everyone!!

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    Sicily, Akragas
    AE Hemilitron, Circa 425-406 BC
    Obverse: [AKP-AGANTIN]-ON, eagle, with head raised, standing left on tunny.
    Reverse: Crab holding a serpent in its left claw, conch and cuttle fish below; six pellets around.
    References: SNG ANS 1032; Calciati I pg. 176, 43; SNG Copenhagen 73
    Size: 27mm, 20.9g

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    Sicily, Messana, The Mamertinoi
    Circa 288-278 BC, AE Double Unit
    Obverse: APEOΣ, Laureate head of Ares right; spear head behind.
    Reverse: MAME-P-TINΩN, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt.
    References: SNG ANS 401; Calciati I pg. 91, 2
    Size: 22mm, 8.0g

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    Syracuse, Sicily
    Hiketas II, Ruled 287-278 BC
    AE Litra, Struck circa 283-279 BC

    Obverse: ΔΙΟΣ ΕΛΛANIOY, youthful laureate head of Zeus Hellanios right.
    Reverse: ΣΥΡΑΚ-ΟΣΙΩΝ, eagle standing left on thunderbolt, with wings spread, A to left.
    References: CNS II, 168; HGC 2, 1449; SNG ANS 799
    Size: 23mm, g

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    Syracuse, Sicily imitating Ptolemaic Issues of Ptolemy II Philadelphos in Alexandria
    Minted under Hieron II, Ruled 270-215 BC
    AE Litra, Uncertain mint in Sicily
    Struck post-reform circa 264-263 BC

    Obverse: Laureate head of Zeus right (Sicilian Portrait Style B).
    Reverse: ΠTOΛEMAIOY BAΣIΛEΩΣ, Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, with wings spread; oval shield to left, control mark A to lower right near eagle tail; all within sold circle border.
    References: Svoronos 615; Wolf & Lorber, ‘Western Greek’ Style, Subgroup 3 (First Issue), H69 (A42/P56)
    Size: 27mm, 18.3g

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    Ptolemy II Philadelphos, 285-246 BC
    AE Diobol, Alexandria mint, Series 2
    Struck circa 285-261/0 BC

    Obverse: Laureate head of Zeus-Ammon right.
    Reverse: ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ, eagle standing left on thunderbolt, with wings spread; Σ above Galatian shield to left, A between legs.
    References: Svoronos 560
    Size: 29mm, 14.37g

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    Euboia, Chalkis
    AR Drachm, Circa 290-273/1 BC
    Obverse: Head of the nymph Chalkis right, wearing earring and necklace.
    Reverse: Eagle flying right grappling with serpent in talons, caduceus below; XAΛ before.
    References: Picard Em. 30; BCD Euboia 178-80; SNG Copenhagen 438
    Size: 17mm, 3.46g

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    Divus Augustus, Ruled, 27 BC-14 AD
    AE As, Struck by Tiberius 34-37 AD, Rome

    Obverse: DIVVS AVGVSTVS PATER: Head of Augustus, radiate, left.
    Reverse: Eagle standing, front, on globe, with open wings, head turned right, S-C across fields.
    References: RIC I 82
    Size: 27mm, 10.7g

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    Elagabalus, Ruled 218-222 AD
    BL Tetradrachm, Syria Antioch Mint

    Obverse: AYT K M A ANTWNEINOC CEB, laureate head right, three dots at top of laurel, with slight drapery over far shoulder.
    Reverse: ΔHMAPX EΞ YΠATOC TOB, eagle standing facing with wings spread, head left, with wreath in beak; star between legs; Δ-Є across fields.
    References: McAlee 758, Prieur 250
    Size: 27mm, 11.7g
     
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  16. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    My earliest:

    Roman Republic, Q. Cassius Longinus, AR Denarius, 55 BCE [Crawford] or 53 BCE [Harlan], Rome Mint. Obv. Young male head of Genius Populi Romani [Crawford & RCV] or Bonus Eventus [RSC & RRM II] right, with flowing hair, scepter behind, border of dots / Rev. Eagle, with wings spread, standing right on thunderbolt, lituus [curved augural staff used in reading auspices] to left and capis [jug used in same rituals] to right, border of dots; Q • CASSIVS in exergue. Crawford 428/3, RSC I Cassia 7 (ill.), Sydenham 916, Sear RCV I 391 (ill.), Harlan, RRM II Ch. 23 at pp. 180-187, BMCRR Rome 3868. 19 mm., 3.77 g., 6 h.

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    Another one from a few hundred years later:

    Philip II, billon Tetradrachm, 248-249 AD, Syria, Seleucis and Pieria, Antioch Mint. Obv. Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind, AYTOK K M IOΥΛI ΦIΛIΠΠOC CEB / Rev. Eagle standing facing, head right, wings spread, holding wreath in its beak, ΔHMAΡX EΞ OYCIAC YΠATO Δ [4th consulship]; ANTIOXIA / S C in two lines below eagle. Prieur 474 [Michel and Karin Prieur, Syro-Phoenician Tetradrachms (London, 2000)]; BMC 20 Syria 560 [Warwick Wroth, A Catalog of the Greek Coins in the British Museum, Vol. 20, Galatia, Cappadocia, and Syria (London, 1899) at p. 218]; McAlee 1042 [Richard McAlee, The Coins of Roman Antioch (2007)]; RPC VIII No. 29020 (https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/type/29020). 27.15 mm., 14.00 g. Ex. CNG Electronic Auction 466, April 22, 2020, part of Lot 728.

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  17. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Are you sure that the first eagles on U.S. coins were directly inspired by Roman coinage, rather than indirectly? I know little or nothing about the subject, but a brief amount of time poking around suggests that those early U.S. eagles were modeled on the Great Seal of the United States, which in turn was based on the heraldic eagle of Europe, dating back to the Middle Ages (and appearing on a lot of European coinage*); the heraldic eagle in turn was ultimately derived from the Roman eagle. That kind of indirect derivation seems to me like a more likely explanation. Then again, what do I know?

    * See, for example, the eagle on this Prussian Reichsthaler of 1790:

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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Sorry folks, I haven’t been around. Had to drive 3 hrs to pick up a boat, and 3 hrs back. I am now in a bar having supper, and imbibing on barley pop. I may go Conehead, and consume mass quantities. So, forgive my slurry words, and I may have to look at the posts tomorrow with a little more clear head. :D

    thank you everyone for posting and commenting on some great Eagles!
     
  19. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    AUGUSTUS AS, TITUS RESTORATION ISSUE, 80-81 AD
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    BMCRE Volume II, Rome, Titus No. 273-275 (27mm, 10.71 gm)
    RIC Volume II, Part 1 (second edition), Titus, No. 462

    Obverse depiction: Augustus, radiate head facing left
    Inscription: DIVVS AV _____ GVSTVS PATER

    Reverse depiction: Eagle with wings spread standing on Globe
    Inscription: IMP T CAES AVG RESTITVIT - S C (above, left and right)
     
  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Modern Ancients (Yeah, that CE Empire stuff)

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    RI Volusian 251-253 CE AR Tet Antioch mint Eagle - son of Treb Gallus


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    RI Nero AR Tetradrachm 54-68 CE Eagle
     
  21. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    To add weight to your theory is this pierreale of Ferderick II/III de Aragon, King of Sicily, 1296 - 1337, one of the few medieval coins in my collection. The crowned Prussian eagle most likely derived from crowned eagle coinage of the medieval era.

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